How do you defeat this missile besides notching it? Is it just the ultimate missile for this BR? My poor mig21 evades every missile with ease besides this one!
There is a couple of ways, if you are low altitude it will defeat most radars you can face, otherwise multipath or pitch down towards the ground when its close causing it to hit the ground (since your future position for the missile is in the ground) or you can put your plane in a spin like we used to to back in the day, dunno how effective it is nowadays.
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What is multi-pathing lol I’m only at 10.3. And this specific missile always gets me at high alt only it seems
If the missile is coming right head on (if not turn so that it is coming head on) you can just do a high G barrel roll by holding the up elevator and aileron while going at high speed (not too high if your plane locks up), even the AIM-7M cant keep up with that they have terrible tracking, but it might not work on the P variant every time
Skimming the ground at less than 60m from it and less. Makes the missile miss you.
pulse missile, you should be able chaff it and it’ll lock that. I don’t think notching is doing anything since it’s not a doppler radar, so having the same relative velocity of the ground doesn’t do anything to the missile / radar’s lock.
Multipathing is basically the missile getting confused about waht is the real target
Put really really simply.
When you fly below 60m, you create a reflection on the ground and when a radar guided missile (SARH like the Aim-7E-2 or ARH missile like the AMRAAM) comes in, it sees that reflection and goes for it instead.
However, if the missile comes in from the right angle, it may still go for the reflection, but you are in the way. As a result, you still get hit. So its best to only use it against someone also flying low.
For defeating Aim-7E-2 at 10.3 you have a few different options.
The first, avoid being targetted. Unlike later Aim-7 users, the F-4E at 11.3 (which is what I assume you are facing) doesnt have a PD radar, which means that the radar will struggle to detect you flying low and hiding in the noise created by the ground. Staying low will mostly but not entirely keep you safe from SARH missile at 10.3. (note the Viggen C also at 11.3 with a similar missile, the Skyflash DF, is not affected by ground clutter as it has a PD radar, usually those are found only on 11.7 in a more basic form or properly on 12.0s)
The next step is to physically put a barrier between you and whatever is trying to fire at you like a hill. This is known as terrain masking. Not an option on every map, but valuable when you can use it
Couple with the knowledge of Multipathing, most players in that situation would probably not opt to try and fire an Aim-7E-2 at you.
If you are engaged by a radar guided missile (typically alerted by your RWR), you have a few actions you can take.
First, turn 90 or more degrees and deploy chaff. 90 degree notch is necessary for defeating a PD radar, but this being a non-PD radar, that isnt entirely necessary. What is needed is getting the radar to lock onto the chaff instead of you which essentially means putting the chaff between the radar and yourself, but its well worth dropping a little chaff as you start to turn, some radars will just switch straight away .
Next, you can try and defeat the missile kinematically, by maneuvering hard, you can physically drain the missile of energy, though just make sure to not drain yourself of energy at the same time. Going cold or flying directly away from the target can be a good way to do this, but of course bare in mind that you’ll set yourself up for an IR missile. So turning 90 hard, and then turning 180 to fly back in the other direction can work rather well.
Combining these 2 tactics can prove effective in defeating most missiles.
If all else fails, and you are up high, and cannot terrain mask, you can try diving towards the ground, the missile will attempt to intercept you, but if that intercept point is underground, then the missile will slam into the ground and miss you. Its a tricky tactic but can work.
That should give you a rough overview, but I do recommend watching some youtube videos on the matter as well. Visuals might help more than the written word
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It’s CW
every sparrow is CW
you can however fool the radar with a burst of chaff (one wont do, especially in a headon)
you are pretty much right haha
the f-4e (which is probably the plane you are dying to) has horrible look down capability, use that to your advantage
flying high is basically a death sentence on a full uptier though, so do keep that in mind
in my experience the DF sparrows are much harder to evade by barreling
The DF sparrows only have a slight speed advantage over the M under 4km, and i have had no problem dodging multiple M launches at the same time with a simple roll, so im pretty sure the DF is just as easy to dodge.
They don’t have any real advantage at all.
I just took a quick look at statshark and it seemed it accelerated faster off the rail for about 4/5km, but idk about real in game advantage.
You have to ask yourself, when does this matter? Is the difference actually significant?
Fly at like 50m above the ground and it breaks all radars through multipath.
if its a head on pull full rudder and pitch and you usually defeat them
This is the only radar missile that my chaff seems utterly useless against. I just watch it turn into me while spamming chaff lol
Its probably less the missile and more the radar. F-4E i’ve heard has quite a solid radar for the BR, not the best at that BR (thats the Viggen C) but very solid. Probably quite resistant to chaff
not quite, iirc aim7c is pulse
you arent notching or going cold to make chaff effective.
Upon further experience the F-4E has the strongest missiles at this BR. IR’s that can be flared off and then turn back into you just dont exist besides maybe the Mirage. I just had an IR from a F4E follow my 3 flares and then pull right angle right up my non-afterburner tailpipes. I’m really not complaining too much just like ITS NOT JUST ME RIGHT
Since when has going cold had an effect on radar missiles especially from the front aspect?