He’s not wrong. The SPAMRAAM can be defeated by notching+chaffing and multipathing like every other fox3. It’s still the best fox3 by an incredibly large margin but that advantage isn’t because of some immunity to countermeasures.
“No escape zone” only for America missiles, because I had battles where the enemies chaffed my R 77 at 5-7 km
The problem comes when you need to dodge 7 AIM-120s at once (yes, I had battles like this)
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To be completely frank, that’s not a problem with fighting AIM-120s. That’s a problem with being out of position and you’d be just as dead if seven R-77’s, sparrows, or even skyflashes were shot at you simultaneously. The AIM-120 is extremely good but not for the reasons that you’re citing.
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Whole lotta skill issue up in this thread, a basic understanding of BVR combat would solve everyones problem. But then who would I farm like bots?
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Not true. The AAM-4 and PL-12 are just as good or maybe even better than the AMRAAM. The only advantage the AMRAAM has over these 2 missiles is slightly better range, in return it has much worse maneuverability the worst out of any of the new Fox 3s and this time its by a pretty decent margin.
The AMRAAM is still a top 3 missile though and by far the most common missile as most nations have it plus only the J-8F gets the PL-12 so it might be better than the AMRAAM but its on an old platform.
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Really need the old forum’s incredulous laughter emote.
^ and this one is before the other slight AMRAAM nerf bringing the AMRAAM’s guidance delay from 0.5s → 0.6s. (The other Fox 3s are 0.3s)
well, the r27er is undodgeable below 20km
point?
the best ones are MICA EM and r77. Not for range, but who cares, everything launched beyond 25km is never going to hit because the motors don’t let these to. Within MA range they pull harder and since they force you to launch them up close the IOG and TOG will eventually splash on you, unlike the longer range AMRAAMs that make you try more risky long range launches.
The Su27 and MiG29G’s are the best top tiers right now. Why dogfight when your missiles can dogfight for you? it’s also impossible to kill a mig29 or a su27 with a single AMRAAM, they will keep flying or flat spin with a red tag as they keep launching unnotchable/unflareable missiles til it’s mayhem. As I like to say, “them russkies always have the last word in this game”
And before “just jam the WEZ”, how you gonna jam the WEZ if you’re most likely going to face an enemy head on in this game? Russians WEZ for ARH/SARH is well over 200 degrees around their nose and IR WEZ around 250… how about rushing (as I always do) and be lucky my team survives before reaching their six? It doesn’t happen.
i hope you are trolling
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No. To add more insult to injury, NATO missiles are well known for prioritizing teammates or wrong targets because they have zero resistance to heat signature differentials (like flares or a temmate flying away from an enemy you locked going head on or an AMRAAM going for you because you have more favorable closure rate than someone else barely 300m away moving slowlier towards the signal.
I don’t think you know what you’re talking about, basically all all-aspect missiles have the same rangeband ratios
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explain then why it is more likely you get TK’d by a shut-off seeker than a shrink seeker.
confirmation bias
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Aight.
The best fox-3 is by far the AMRAAM, sure longer range shots gives the enemy time to react, but the AMRAAM also has double the no escape zone of R-77 and MICA EM. In fact, the main issue I find with getting kills with the AMRAAM is not the AMRAAM itself but that my teammate’s AMRAAMs hitting just a bit before mine get there.
The F-16 for Air RB literally has the best rate and AoA of any plane, the only rival in AoA being the Su-27 and the F-15 for rate (compared to the F-16C, not the blk 10 or 15). As for the missiles they launch, due to the R-77’s inability to hold speed, it is far easier to notch than AMRAAMs, Derby/Darters, MICAs, and Pl-12s. Meanwhile the R-73 doesn’t get any added flare resistance until about 1.5km in rear aspect, maybe 2km for hotter planes like the 15C and F-14s. The R-27ET has better flare resistance but it only really kicks in 5km away in rear, and 2.5km in side, I find this more than enough distance as most ET users will try to launch from further to try and make the chance of detection lower.
For your comment on the WEZ, while R-77 and MICA EM can turn harder than the AMRAAM, I have at most gotten R-77 to have a 100 degree WEZ at close range at dogfighting speeds. I would imagine MICAs to have a better WEZ, however, you forget to mention how range plays into all of this. You mention flanking, and while that is fairly viable, really with the massive range advantage the AMRAAM gets on everything other than the Pl-12 and Fakour-90s, its WEZ is almost double the size of MICA and potentially triple that of the R-77.
Tl;dr the AMRAAM is by far the best fox-3 in a game as it has okay potential to pull, holds onto speed like no other, and by far has the highest range of any fox-3 barring the Fakour and AAM-4.
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amraam and r27er are very similar, yes. The F16C is insane even stock. I just haven’t chaff yet. R77 and Micas have to be used in very close range.
Its not. The best Fox 3s are the PL-12, AAM-4, and AMRAAM.
Gripen can rival that.
I like to turn away before firing my missile. I know the R-77 has the turning capability so I fire while already turning to get into the notch much faster than the enemy.
The R-27ET has a worse flare resistance than the R-73. R-27ET has 1.33deg FOV while the R-73 has 0.75deg FOV.
The AMRAAM has the worst turning capability of the top tier Fox 3s made worse by the fact that it has a 0.6s guidance delay as opposed to the others having 0.3s.
Mr. Yudintsev, another ricope post has hit the forums
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