AGS and 2S25M changes are "interesting"

[MotorolaCRO]

@Panther2995

Another personal opinion, sadly doesnt mean shit tbh.

Player performances having a say in BR placements is common knowledge, that’s not an opinion.

@Panther2995

Same goes for you, you’re just throwing some random claims from your ass.

I wasn’t claiming anything, you were.
Also, I’m still waiting for any evidence that will back up your most claim, until then it’s best to keep silent, unless you want to look even more foolish than you already are.

@Panther2995

As i said before i couldnt care less about what you think about that discussion, but thanks again for sharing your opinion with rest of us.

I’m not sharing my opinion or thoughts, I’m sharing facts that literally can’t even be discussed, let alone shut down.
If you can somehow prove me that LFP and/or driver’s port are situated on the sides/back of a tank we can talk, until then your comment about that not being a front penetration is probably the hottest take in 2024.

@Panther2995

Sorry you didnt exposed nothing, you just threw some random bs claims, safe to say you’re the one who should shut up and should stay away from other people’s discussion.

You got exposed hard as a someone that doesn’t know LFP and driver’s port are situated on the front side of a tank, which is peak cringe. Someone normal would leave the forum for a while until people forget about that blooper, but it seems like you want to look like a clown lol.

There are like 10-15 posts about AGS/2S25M, several dozen of others are off-topic gibberish and trying to teach a guy that LFP and driver’s port are on the tank’s front, not side or back lol.
Now you’re malding because I told you to stop or go elsewhere with your off-topic hot takes.

@Panther2995

Again your personal opinion doesnt mean shit to me just like doesnt mean shit to military doctorine (which i prefer those methods rather then your personal opinions).

Again, that’s not my opinion, it’s a fact.
LFP and driver’s port are on the tank’s front, so if they get penetrated it’s a frontal penetration. You don’t need any doctrine to figure it out, just a little bit of common sense, which you seem to lack in big amounts and quite frankly that’s really sad to see.

At this point I’m hoping you’re trolling, since I highly doubt even impaired people wouldn’t understand this by now.

@Panther2995

İf you’re done with your personal opinions that is coming straight from you black hole i believe we’re done.

He still thinks LFP being a part of the tank’s front is a personal opinion.
Big yikes.

[GNDM_Panzer]

Just the usual Russian Bias from Gaijin…

[Panther2995]

You’re getting desperate i see, sadly im already done with this discussion.

Cya.

[MotorolaCRO]

@Panther2995

You’re getting desperate i see

That’s like teaching someone 2 + 2 = 4 over and over again, but he still refuses to acknowledge that or simply don’t have enough processing power to understand it. Either you cry or laugh, or both to be honest.

@Panther2995

sadly im already done with this discussion.

If only that thought came through your head before posting one of your hot takes about LFP not being on the tank’s front, you could’ve saved yourself from some embarrassment.

But I’m kinda glad you’re finally going to stop writing off-topic gibberish, trying to prove your point by claiming something that’s only backed up by a hearsay.

[Константинович7]

Are you going to compare a -5 depression, tall, light armor tank destroyer to a -10 depression, small, perfect for hull-down positions, decent armor against high cal auto cannons and almost impossible to kill while in hull-down? Ok then.

[Panther2995]

Aha, sure :) (didnt even bother to read btw, you’re not worth it).

[BlueRooster57]

@винница_2017

Sprut in all aspects worse than ags.

Uh huh

@KrypTanko

So get this, gaijin gave the AGS M833 ammo which has a maximum pen of 395mm of pen and raised the BR twice from 10.3 to 11.0.
In the same update the 2S25M Sprut also got an ammo buff getting 3BM60 which has 580mm of pen and the BR wasn’t changed at all and still sits at 10.0.

[UwU_Lightning]

@MotorolaCRO

AGS is really mobile (31HP/t+), pretty small and has a ridiculously small hull-down profile because of it’s design. On top of that, it has a 5s autoloaded gun which is surely really nice.

That being said, it should excel in the early game, getting to spots first and getting to the side of some unsuspecting enemies, quickly decimating them with that 5s reload. Only if we had maps that playstyle can be achieved on the regular…

The Sprut is also pretty mobile and can get to places pretty early on in the game. On top of that it also has a solid reload rate which can`t get decreased after the gunner is killed. Not to mention that the Sprut also comes with hydropneumatic suspension giving it access to a wider variety of sniping spots compared to the AGS.

[ZE4L0T]

And lets not forget, it can penetrate everything like its butter. AGS bounces everything at 11.0, even breaches.

[O_HOgameplay]

@UwU_Lightning

On top of that it also has a solid reload rate which can`t get decreased after the gunner is killed.

It has a longer reload than most things, except soviet autoloaders.

@UwU_Lightning

Not to mention that the Sprut also comes with hydropneumatic suspension giving it access to a wider variety of sniping spots compared to the AGS.

Isn’t that just hull elevation controll, instead of tilting the front or back of the hull, like a japanese MBT would?

[TheArcticFoxxo]

@Vamilad

Should the 2S25M move up in BR? Sure. The entire 9.0-11.0 bracket should all be moved up by ~0.7 minimum to decompress after the traffic jam Gaijin has created by moving everything at 8.3 to 8.7 and 8.7 to 9.0

I feel it shouldn’t be moved up exclusively, but everything above should be moved up. To put 10.0 vehicles like the T-72B '1985 at the same level as the T-80U is a joke, especially seeing as it would face 12.0 aircraft and 11.7 tanks.

8.7-10.0 air and ground is a clusterfuck. Ground less so, though everything can benefit from a huge ceiling increase.

[UwU_Lightning]

My bad, forgot to mention that. Also the spall, it`s basically non existend on the 105mm used by the AGS. The Sprut one-shots basically anything it comes across.

[TheArcticFoxxo]

@MotorolaCRO

Considering no one is willingly running around with HE/HEAT loaded in, AGS is a much harder target to deal with in a hull down position.

My regular load of ammo is ~25-27 APFSDS, ~5-7 HE, ~5-7 ATGM, 1 HEATFS. It’s funny who you can catch off guard.

[UwU_Lightning]

@O_HOgameplay

It has a longer reload than most things, except soviet autoloaders.

A 7.10 second reload is still faster than a e.g. stock crew 7.80 by the 2A4 or Ariete(P) (max crew would be 6.90, not that big off a difference) and as said before the reload rate of the Sprut can not be decreased by eliminating a crew member.

[O_HOgameplay]

And who uses stock crew? xd

[UwU_Lightning]

Some people actually do (I know that it`s stupid to do so). They buy a new crew for their newly unlocked high tier tank so they dont have to spend more SL on a new crew for their old high tier tank. They just want to have a bigger line-up.

[SlowHandClap]

How people deny Russian bias when stuff like this goes on is beyond belief.

[O_HOgameplay]

@UwU_Lightning

Some people actually do (I know that it`s stupid to do so). They buy a new crew for their newly unlocked high tier tank so they dont have to spend more SL on a new crew for their old high tier tank. They just want to have a bigger line-up.

Yeah, and some people do other stupid things.
But generally people will use at least expert crew.

@SlowHandClap

How people deny Russian bias when stuff like this goes on is beyond belief.

Why is a better tank being at higher BR bias?

[MotorolaCRO]

@UwU_Lightning

The Sprut is also pretty mobile and can get to places pretty early on in the game.

2S25M with it’s mobility won’t outrun plenty of tanks, MBTs included, meanwhile AGS will.

@UwU_Lightning

On top of that it also has a solid reload rate which can`t get decreased after the gunner is killed.

Same can be said for AGS, your point here ?
Having 2s faster reload speed constantly is a massive benefit.

@UwU_Lightning

Not to mention that the Sprut also comes with hydropneumatic suspension giving it access to a wider variety of sniping spots compared to the AGS.

It can’t tilt forwards/backwards and it only has up-down movements available, so you won’t get nearly any gun depression out of that.

@UwU_Lightning

Some people actually do (I know that it`s stupid to do so).

People doing stupid crap isn’t vehicle’s fault and shouldn’t be used to form any argument at all.

As far as I can see, 2S25M only has round + thermals combo going in it’s way, and in everything else (reload, profile, gun handling, mobility) AGS wins handily.

[SlowHandClap]

@MotorolaCRO

It can’t tilt forwards/backwards and it only has up-down movements available, so you won’t get nearly any gun depression out of that.

Gun depression isn’t the only potential benefit of being able to adjust the suspension…as they mentioned, it allows you to fire hull down from spots that normally your tank would be too short for.