As I assume everyone knows, they’re implementing FOX-3’s. With the addition of these planes, stock planes need a way to counter these missiles. As a stock plane with 2 9L’s simply wont cut it. So what I’m suggesting is, replacing the 2 9L’s NATO planes start with to 9M’s or their 9M equivelant missile. So for example instead of a 9M it would be the AAM-3 for japan, Magic 2 for france etc, etc. Along with the replacement of 9L’s i’m suggesting the addition of 2 Stock SARH missiles to have a way to counter planes that are simply too high to engage.
Yes, only to the addition of SARH’s
Yes, to only replacement of 9L’s with 9M’s
Yes to both
No.
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Yes, but only to vehicle that are rank 8 and above
It’s really hard to grind the stock J-8F… i have only 2x rear aspect PL-5B with a gen 3 frame, but my enemy have mighty R-73, AAM-4, AIM-9M and Magic 2, much better manuverbility and more
So it’s really necessary to give Tier 8s stock IRCCM missile and free chaff to fight with ARH missiles (Python 3/PL-8 is not a IRCCM missile, they’re really easy to be flared)
For IR AAMs; Yes for 12.7+ aircraft, but I don’t believe its necessary below 12.7 .
It seems disingenuous to claim the F-15A/J/Baz need 9M to function stock given that there are numerous current & future 12.3 aircraft that entirely lack IRCCM missile capability and in many cases (such as the Netz or soon J-8F) rely on rear-aspect stock AAMs. For 12.0 - 12.3, all aspect capability is perfectly adequate without IRCCM capability.
As for SARH aams, I think it could make sense to have stock Fox-1 capability on heavy fighters / aircraft with > 2x Fox-1s. (i.e. F-4E with 2x Stock 7Ds, or Mirage 4000 with 2x 530Fs). Planes such as the Mirage-2000Cs or F-16As which only carry a pair of Fox-1s are difficult to give stock Fox-1s to without undermining the purpose of the module.
of course, I assume these statements are based on the current meta. Did you recall while stating this that everything down to 12.0 will in fact certainly face Fox-3 while stock sooner or later? Perhaps if you did take into account that a stock Netz or J-8F will have to face these AMRAAMs in an uptier you could elaborate further on your reasoning? Thank you.
I’ve got similar threads up for the SHar/AV-8B+ and Tornado F3
It is insane to think these aircraft will need to fight with a fairly weak loadout for 10.3-11.3 at 12.3+. Especially when the Su-27s dont have to use R-60Ms and instead get full R-73s.
I think a lot of aircraft would also benefit from some basic SARH. Even if they were 11.3 ish SARHs and not 12+ SARH. Like i’ve suggested Torando F3 Late getting Skyflash DFs (though 4 not 2 due to loadout limiations)
well, if su-27 can have R73 as stock IR missle, other country should have same level missle as stock too – in there it is 9M.
even in DEV server we have 5x RP bonus, using two 9L to grind is still painful, it only can hit AI plane
I am in fact aware of the upcoming shift in meta (as noted by my comment on the J-8F). Since both the Netz & J-8F are within the 12.0-12.3 bracket (as well as other F-16As), I propose they receive non-IRCCM all aspect aams stock, such as 9L or PL-8. If not made clear earlier, here is my proposed aam distribution:
(For attackers with only 1 set of aams, no research required)
Spreading availability of 9Ms into lower tiers is a slippery slope & I think people have gotten all too comfortable with compressing the previous meta each new major update (I remember when people were pissed the MiG-21PFM, a MiG-21 was moving down to 9.7). Ideally we get 13.3 ASAP to help reduce the collateral but yes, fox-3s are going to make grind gaps even worse.
I feel bad for anyone who unlocks the Mirage 4000 post-update; from gas to trash in the blink of an eye…
If we don’t fix this soon, it’s going to be worse than heatfs at top tier lmao. Maybe even give some stock ARH in the future depending on how horrible it is…
