13.0 , just like any other FOX-3 carrier or 12.7 if it get the latter
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thats an unfair comparisson to be honest, the mig29 has a good-decent fm and an hmd paired with r73 and r27er, meanwhile you have a phantom without hmd, and aim7ms, theyre still aim7s and its still a phantom. the aam3 would make it way more effective and interesting, the brs state wont change much you will still get sucked into 13.0 and considering youd have the same loadout as the F15J which fm and performance overall is infinitely better at 0.3 higher is fair imo
welcome to the J37DI which is 13.0 btw
it would be really bad at 13.0
have you actually used it and compared it towards other gen4s? it usually loses. The FM was butchered heavily since it was released into WT.
the F-4S quite literally does have HMD…?
sure, but 2x as many radar missiles and AAM3s are just as good as R73 overall
but the EJ KAI doesnt, why would the f4s get aam3s? again the F4 Kai with AAM3s at 12.7 would be fine, it would still get beaten by almost every other jet at the same br the only difference it would make is that it would actually be more interesting to play and way more consistent to get results in. And using only 1v1 performance as indicator for br balance is horrible thinking, its way easier to get results in the mig29 than any 12.7 F16, you have 2 insanely reliable SARH missiles with an hmd and 4 semi useable all aspect missiles, the slight edge in fm that the F16 has over the mig is diminishing in the grand scheme of things that is Air rb
I minced words, some ppl here are advocating for F-4S to get 9M and some are advocating for F-4EJ Kai to get AAM3
also yes i spaded 2 mig29 and the am playing the mig29g atm, i also spaded the f16adf and the a mlu and i can confidently say id take the mig29 any day over the F16, the other 4 gens are irrelevant here since theyre rightfully so above in br. almost forgot the F18C early which is way better than the F16 but id still take the mig over it, the only real downside of the mig is the rwr, countermeassures are identical, armament wise id say the mig is more potent due to hmd and the r27er and r60m, F18 and F16 lack hmd, the sparrows are a pain to use and the aim9s also are lackluster without hmd when facing anything above your br
im not saying overpowered, just saying questionable when they wont give irccm to anything else at this br that would want it like mig29 (mig29 not getting r73 is like f14 not getting aim54, they were made to be used together)
If by results you mean 1 kill then yeah, R27ERs arent infailable and after the r27er you are out of options as far as actually being scary to any degree
the f4s should in all honesty just move to 12.3 without changing anything, the mig23 is argueably the same since your radar doesnt really matter, the r24r has a doppler filter and still kill stuff in a full notch while the radar is locked to chaff (by the same i mean moving it to 12.0)
I agree it’s the best 12.0 but it can’t be 12.3 under current compression. Mirage 2K and F-16 live there.
it only kills notching ppl if they dont change alt to dodge IOG guidance, but what I want to rly say here is that mig23 isnt good enough for 12.0 overall with its incredibly poor RWR and general issues like requiring to use wing sweep to effectively dogfight and the radar that still matters
Tl:dr they just need to decompress so this stuff could go up
the issue is that if you give it the r73 it would have to be moved up, with the current compression at 13.0 youd just totally kill it, also if you do that then why do we even have the 29g, which is an amazing vehicle but just outclassed at 13.0 (SU27, F15, F4F ICE, Jas39A)
yes decompression is a major issue at top tier, 13.0, 13.3 and 12.7 just arent fun to play at all since you more often than not face full uptiers, also unrelated but if anything should go up in br its the mirage f1c and 2kcs4, the magics being the best IR in game except for maybe the pl8b shouldnt be on a supersonic platform with 240 cms at 12.0
idk I would still like to see it tried, especially with limits like not using 6x r73 and removing R27ER
nah I spaded these recently, they arent OP, unless you mean after decompression
the missiles are OP yes the airframe leaves to be desired but you still get 2-3 kills for free every game if you dont completely step out of line
12.0 sees far too many uptiers into 12.3-13.0 which just bodies the f1c because they also have equally powerful missiles but also 2x as good airframes 12.3 would kill the F1 and 12.7 would make the 2000D the same as the other 2000D
(And also effectively kill it as an air rb plane)
These aren’t problematic aircrafts
Honestly i dont see why the f1 is 12.0 sure it has ircm missile, but it has 2 its not much different from the EXTREMELY strong r24r. Both are 2 free kills if used right and bith are left with bad missiles after that