the f4s should in all honesty just move to 12.3 without changing anything, the mig23 is argueably the same since your radar doesnt really matter, the r24r has a doppler filter and still kill stuff in a full notch while the radar is locked to chaff (by the same i mean moving it to 12.0)
I agree it’s the best 12.0 but it can’t be 12.3 under current compression. Mirage 2K and F-16 live there.
it only kills notching ppl if they dont change alt to dodge IOG guidance, but what I want to rly say here is that mig23 isnt good enough for 12.0 overall with its incredibly poor RWR and general issues like requiring to use wing sweep to effectively dogfight and the radar that still matters
Tl:dr they just need to decompress so this stuff could go up
the issue is that if you give it the r73 it would have to be moved up, with the current compression at 13.0 youd just totally kill it, also if you do that then why do we even have the 29g, which is an amazing vehicle but just outclassed at 13.0 (SU27, F15, F4F ICE, Jas39A)
yes decompression is a major issue at top tier, 13.0, 13.3 and 12.7 just arent fun to play at all since you more often than not face full uptiers, also unrelated but if anything should go up in br its the mirage f1c and 2kcs4, the magics being the best IR in game except for maybe the pl8b shouldnt be on a supersonic platform with 240 cms at 12.0
idk I would still like to see it tried, especially with limits like not using 6x r73 and removing R27ER
nah I spaded these recently, they arent OP, unless you mean after decompression
the missiles are OP yes the airframe leaves to be desired but you still get 2-3 kills for free every game if you dont completely step out of line
12.0 sees far too many uptiers into 12.3-13.0 which just bodies the f1c because they also have equally powerful missiles but also 2x as good airframes 12.3 would kill the F1 and 12.7 would make the 2000D the same as the other 2000D
(And also effectively kill it as an air rb plane)
These aren’t problematic aircrafts
Honestly i dont see why the f1 is 12.0 sure it has ircm missile, but it has 2 its not much different from the EXTREMELY strong r24r. Both are 2 free kills if used right and bith are left with bad missiles after that
If anything has to happen, mig23 should move up, not f1 down
i dont see the reasoning behind that
because the f1 isn’t fine to go lower (magic 2s are too good)
i dont think so, a 10.7 aircraft is as well equpped to fight magic 2s than any 11.0. i would argue that r24rs are even better.
Either both stay the same BR or MiG-23 goes up. There is no world where F1 becomes 11.7
imo i dont think mig23 is particularly op
F-4C need 9J
F-4E need 9P
F-4S need 9L
Ok, then no BRs need to be changed. Glad we figured it out.
Absolutely not. Only one here that approaches reasonable is F-4C getting 9J. The best 12.0 Fighter aircraft does not need buffs.The F-4E does not need buffs nor did it use 9P.
i also dont think the f1c is worse than the mig23ml, magic 2s arent THAT good that having 2 of em warrants and higher br than mig23ml imo