a bit of a stretch but i can confirm its enough of a possibility that its worth bringing them, i dont do it on the a7 but i have done it at toptier
It’s not a false equivalency. All attack aircraft are at a disadvantage in a match full of fighters. Trying to attack ground targets in arb makes you an easy target. Trying to dogfight in an attack aircraft is possible but it’s not advisable. A fighter will outperform you in most metrics.
There’s a difference between being at a disadvantage, and being almost completely unable to score kills.
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If you want to score kills, it’s better to use an aircraft that’s designed to score kills. I wouldn’t hop in an A-7 and expect to go toe-to-toe with fighters. I’m sure the A-7 performs its ground attack role pretty well. Air rb just isn’t made for attack aircraft.
Just because it’s not designed for A2A doesn’t mean it should be completely helpless. The A-7E could easily move to 9.3 as a worse harrier, and the A-7D to 9.0.
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That’s actually pretty fair. I still think arb needs a rework to make attackers and bombers more viable though.
What do you think the point of this forum is?
Please do not pretend this is some “skill issue”. That’s lazy and incorrect. The A7 is just extremely terrible in air RB.
It’s also a PLANE so yeah it has to be played in air modes to grind.
So?
To use in GRB? Because he wants to? Why do you bother commenting this?
Definitely not. It’s mediocre even as CAS.
You don’t understand the game very well then, which is very funny considering your role. It’s an aircraft. Guess which mode you grind aircraft in. Guess how that game mode works regarding objectives.
This is just bad game design. Simply. There is no excuse.
Nobody used “language”, this forum is far too sanitized and useless as is because of these restrictions.
That’s not how opinions work.
You would be wrong in air RB.
That is, by any degree of common sense, not ok.
Because subsonic lard planes with 9Js are super scary right? This is disingenuous or uninformed.
This is not thought out well logic. Gaijin has the capability to balance the game very easily. They choose not to due to monetary reasons and the game being designed to frustrate you into paying money. It’s just greed.
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You may have a different opinion, you can comment, you can disagree or what else, but please don’t start such a discussion.
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9.0 for the A-7D.
That’s where e.g. Yak-28, Su-7, P-16, Marut, IAR-93, G-91Y, etc. are… Don’t you think the Corsair II would vastly outclass those other attackers?
Really think so? What aircraft at 10.3/10.7 would be better CAS than the SLUFF? Su-25K maybe, in some aspects, but I’d still take an A-7 over it any day.
There is not ONE aircraft mode, and only because RB is the most played game mode for aircraft doesn’t mean it’s the best mode for all aircraft. It’s not as simple as that.
What would be your suggestion to improve this game mode? (Not a rhetorical question, really interested as I don’t play it anmyore, only Sim, and there I have a lot of criticism and ideas what should be changed).
So let me rephrase it: That’s my subjective view based on my observations.
I see you used Corsairs in ARB about as much as I myself and aparently even a bit more efficiently, so I struggle to see why you find it unusable in ARB (note: ‘unusable’ as opposed to ‘difficult ot tricky to use’).
I used it very often in Sim (more so the USAF variant than the USN one), and there I just can say that I am always very well served by the Corsair II.
Again, I really can’t agree here: I just can’t see a “every vehicle class must be equally playable and efficient in every game mode” (if I undesrtand you correctly) just not as feasible. The different aspects are just to many and sometimes even conflicting.
I didn’t even mention fighters here. But see my short list a few lines up of examples in the attacker field that would have to compete with the A-7 if it went down in BR…
Again, please tell how. Especially the ‘very easy’ part. (And again: I’m not saying it could not be done better, I just say it can never be done in a way to please everybody or “be equaly fair” to all vehicles).
You came here to basically say “you’re not allowed to complain about a jet being unplayable in the gamemode you actually want to play it in despite this gamemode also being the main gamemode to grind mods for it in” then want a reasonable, civil discussion now?
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If you think that’s fair you should e read the discussion up to this point
I think the point was (or at least as i understand it) “hey, those aircraft are indeed in a difficult spot, why not try them out in a game mode that not only makes their life easier, but lets them shine?”
It’s enough, dude. Don’t put words in my mouth I never said! If you are angry, go and take you a beer.
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Most players DO NOT jump between realism gamemodes. They will either be an RB player, an arcade player, or a sim player. With this in mind, the most played realism setting is realistic in war thunder… and the ONLY viable mode to grind mods in with strike aircraft is… you guessed it… air RB. Do the math.
Massive reworks in objectives, map design, BR balancing (decompression) and other needed fixes.
Me going positive K/D or not in an aircraft is not indicative of how good an aircraft is. Go find me an aircraft I didn’t do this in. The A-7 is wholly unequipped in all regards to be played in air RB at all. It’s an ineffective fighter, it can’t go after ground targets because of the nature of the gamemode, and it can’t bomb because it’s too slow. It’s entirely useless and only exists to be food for the enemy team.
That IS what should be sought after. It is not likely to happen but it SHOULD ALWAYS be sought after ACTIVELY at ALL times by gaijin. It is not acceptable that some vehicles such as this are just short of unplayable in their main gamemode.
It is extremely doable. Gaijin does not due to greed.
A-7s would be some of the last aircraft to hit bases even at 9.3-9.7.
I have done so in the past. The community has also done so.
No, it wouldn’t. Those other attackers all have far superior flight performance. All the A-7D has going for it is two Aim-9Js.
You cannot grind mods in GRB. You do not play sim unless you PLAY SIM.
Absolutely this, rp gain I grb for aircraft is pitiful
i have used it, its dogshit and can only kill in headons
its worse than a frogfoot in every way, at A HIGHER BR
its actually pretty ok at ground pounding, but so is every plane with a vulcan
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A-7E/D/K have legacy BRs that devs ignored when planes were balanced depending of the mode they are used in (A2A, A2G).
These things are long overdue to get their BRs separated by their efficency in specific gamemodes, namely ARB.
A-7E, for example, is somehow 10.7 with 2x AIM-9Gs and being subsonic while your average fighter gets two times more of these missiles and all supersonic (ah yes, imagine fighting in this thing against J-7D).
Ground pounding and base bombing in ARB is also almost impossible as most attackers either reach their maximum speeds quicker or are supersonic.
Idk why A-7s are kept at BRs as-is given the mechanic of separated BRs exists for like… quite a while? Probably plane itself is rather unpopular, as in the US TT you get much better CAS options at the same BR for GRB and A-10s are simply better at ARB when compared to A-7s, and in Japanese TT you don’t really use it because it doesn’t get lineup for GRB or is not suitable for ARB where only active ones are rewarded and matches don’t last for too long.
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