Yeah but why do you think it’s wrong based on a 18g differences in weight?
I see. Then probably an error based on the fact that 5 easily turns into 6 based on the fact they are so close toghether and can easily be misidentified in print.
Makes little sense to produce both 15x58 and 16x58mm cores.
Crazy how they produced 910t of 7.92mm cores. What was the plan with that? 😂
I believe that German tanks used this tungsten core ammo in their MGs in order to help them perforate the gunshields of anti-tank guns better.
Don’t quote me on this though.
Nah that sounds unlikely. Theres some German manual on the usuage of the tungsten ammo and it says it only provided better arrmor penetration up to 150m.
The bullet has a less aerodyanmic flat base design copared to the the AP round, probably to save weight. But that reduces the effective range.
So for a tank it seems rather impractical. Most AT gun shields just provide some protection from fragmentation or maybe SMG rounds.
I guess if you give every rifleman and machine gunner a bunch of rounds, you just end up with a lot of tungsten ammo.
But the listed 16mm cores are of 150g, so it would fit again?
What?
You wrote 16mm cores with 155g weight, as far as i know, they are indeed 150g, so it does add up and i havent seen 15mm cores.
From the link I posted earlier:
As you can see, there were no “150 g” cores manufactured by the German industry.
Hmm, then i suppose the british or american source had a rounding discreptancy, duo different mesure.
So in game 37mm Pzgr 40 should have 230g core.
Can i have the cover of that source?
No, that one (230 - 231g) is the core from Stuka 37mm ground attack canon.
Idk, can you? :P
I have posted a link to the thread where I got this page. As you can see these several pages are all he posted, I’m not hiding anything from you.
I have found such, in the suggestion i also put the page and by that doc it seems that some got S.m.K.H
And the core is that 135 or 155g?
It’s a 15x58mm core weighing 135g (±4g)
In this video, his example of 3,7 cm Pzgr. 40 core is 151,5 g
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The 15mm x 58mm Core is 135gm±4. with a 0.1mm diameter tolerance. So there could be some variability. The 37mm APCR rounds the US captured were 57.4 mm - 58mm long, and 15mm - 15.6mm diameter.
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Good news all: I calculated the penetration of both extremes, a 15mm - 135g core and a 16mm dia 155g core and the penetration differs between them by only 1 mm.
Apparently if all the extra mass is concentrated on the sides of the projectile, its extra kinetic energy is compensated by the fact that it needs to make a bigger hole through the armour.
Edit: Btw, my bad, previously I took the diameter value for the 37mm APCR from the soviet document from my memory, but the actual document gives the diameters of the 37mm and 50mm german APCR as 16mm and 20mm respectively.
I have a theory: prehaps, the early 37mm cores had 16mm dia, but as I have just shown, reducing it to 15mm does not markedly decrease its penetration. Perhaps at some point the cores were slimmed down a bit to conserve tungsten?
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He says that he had seen two types of tungsten cores inside the 28/20mm german subcaliber projectiles: one that is smaller in diameter than the one in the 20mm APCR and one of the same size. He speculates that the smaller one is early war model and the larger one is late war (idk on what grounds he does this, as he doesnt present any evidence about this)
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idk, but i think the video is neat, as it shows also the real deal.
He shows a German book which states that the entire tungsten supply of the Wehrmacht was turned into 20/28 cores, when the weapon was introduced, to prevent it from being used for different applications.
So they probably had an excess supply of 20/28 cores that were used for the 20mm Pzgr. 40 until they switched production to the heavier 12mm cores.
But in game L28 easyly pen mbt-70. And even Ogival shell.
Now I understand why tanks were made with spaced armor. In life they stopped tungsten carbide sabot projectiles, but in the game they do not protect anything.
It’s fail, gaijin.