7,92mm S.m.K. H ammo for Coax/AA/GP Mgs of German Tanks

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I would like to suggest adding the S.m.K. H ammo (1 in 4 or so (from Ap Ap Ap-T to Ap Ap HVAP Ap-T)) to the Belts of Mg 13, Mg 34 and Mg 42 of German tanks, via modification (or standart), this would increase the effectiveness against light tanks and other targets such as Trucks and Halftracks with some armor.

IRL it was given to Infarty, Halftracks and Pz I, as well as by "Merkbaltt für das Zusammenwirken zwischen Infanterie und Panzer even given to Pz III, IV, V and VI in limited numbers.
Its usage (IRL) would be for vehicles (and Infantry) with no other armarment than Mgs (and their Rifles) to have disruptive or destructive performance against enemy armor and weakpoints as well as to spare main gun ammo in case other armarment is available against enemy armor.

The 7,92mm MGs of the german Army (and Luftwaffe) were General Purpose MGs, which were used in a multitude of rolls, even as HMGs.

Similar to how the american and russian 12,7 mm MGs allready also have Cored Ap ammo, the german Mgs can also recive such with 20-22+mm/10m and 19mm/100m By gaijins calculator and British Tests.

This would make the Coax/AA/GP Mgs quite usefull especially the Pz III B and E which even have 2x.

And it would be powerfull enove to destroy tanks such as the T-26, Bt-5/7, A13 Mk I and many more.

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This round is 12,6g heavy with a 8,25g core of 6,13 mm and a velocity of 875m/s
Penetration would be 20-22mm/10m and 19mm/100m (Normal Ap/Apcbc calculator)

And by history of the Spanish civil war, T-26 could be penetrated from 150-250m/30°
(Gaijins APCR Calculator isnt usable for small rounds as is, they “fixed” it by changing the K factor in game, tho i cant do such with the Wiki Calculator, with Corrected APCR calculator may be a bit higher.)

Source:
Akte 145 Übersetzte Beutedokumente zu den Panzer- und motorisierten Truppen der Wehrmacht (Its an summary translation folder)

D.Lv. 4600 Verwendung der Patronen SmK (H), SS und Smk gegen Panzerziele

HANDBOOK OF ENEMY AMMUNITION
PAMPHLET No. 5
GERMAN SMALL ARMS AMMUNITION, GREANDES AND
DEMOLITION CHARGES
GERMAN CARTRIDGES, S.A.A., 7.92-mm

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Cool, id like this. The german 50, cal

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Interesting! Would be a nice addition. +1

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Idk, it boosts the penetration at super close range but at longer range the penetration quickly drops and the ballistics don’t match with AP or AP-T.

To me it sounds very questionable whether they actually used them for tank MGs.

Tungsten was quite expensive so why would they load them into MG belts and shoot them away like candy?

I’m almost 100% sure that someone made an error writing SmkH instead of SmKL.
For example in one instances they write SmKl instead of SmKL.

Why would some tanks have AP-T while others don’t? Makes no sense.

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Tho, SmK’L is also shown on that page.
Also highly unlikely that they would use mixed belts.
Cince the manual for the ammo sayes, only bursts, cince the higher pressure and recoil is bad in full auto, after defeating the target unload belt for later use and use normal ammo instead.

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Right but:

It might be useful for the game in some instances where you can machine gun a light vehicle to death at 100m but for real life, just not realistic.

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Well, that’s for infantry use.

If the rounds were used by tanks, which I doubt, they would be used mixed with AP and other rounds.
But then we have that problem of just wasting precious ammo 95% of the time, so it just doesn’t add up.

If they carried that ammo, then again only for infantry use, like when they abandoned the tank and took a MG with them.

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Something to consider: IRL thinly armored vehicles, like halftracks and armored cars used a disproportionally hard armour plates of ~500 BHN. When striking such RHA at angles of 20° and over, a steel core of AP bullet shatters, unlike a tungsten carbide core, which remains whole.

If this game had a realistic penetration model for small arms, the tungsten core AP bullets would have a much greater advantage in these situations than a mere comparsion of relative kinetic energy would suggest.

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RIP all the pictures.

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As far as i can tell, the Moderators were able to fix the pictures.

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VERY NICE to see :D.