Yeah, theres even an accepted bug report on it iirc.
These shells won’t change anything, as under Real Sh*tter 3.0 all 20mm hit like small nukes with basically no difference between M-geschoss and current Shvak and Hoe-5. There’s 1 difference - MG151/20 has absolutely dogshit ballistics, while Hoe-5 even with 80g shells is VASTLY superior
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Well, there was even some rounds developed for ShVAKs but purely experimental.
Not that it would make a difference with the current damage.
The selling point of Mineshells was their explosive content, which doesn’t mean anything anymore.
Instead you get just bad ballistics.
And lo and behold, the Ho-5 Mineshells had even worse ballistics than MG 151 Mineshells.
So absolutely no point to use them at the moment.
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The M8 is API, it would be behaving similarly to the M20 round. I think its the M23 thats snapping the wings and behaving closer to an HEF round. Also, out of 8 kills, 4 of them were set on fire.
I quite literally never said that. Not once.
You again missed the point. I’ve been playing this game since planes OBT my dude. I even told you I know exactly what benefit stealth belts have. In fact, if you are going to be like that then fine. Comparing service records I have far, far more knowledge of the game than you. Not only that, but yet again you are another player who has barely played anything other than USA so you have next to no frames for comparison.
I understand exactly what you were saying. I yet again did not once say that it should not be fixed. And to repeat myself for what? the 4th time now? I was asking why the hell does it matter when EVEN IF IT WAS BUFFED IT STILL WOULDN’T BE THE OPTIMAL BELT TO USE EVEN WITH TAKING THE BENEFITS OF A STEALTH BELT INTO CONSIDERATION
The benefit of stealth rounds isn’t enough to give up the fact I could just one tap them with M20 and they die. It doesn’t matter if they can see the rounds coming when they’re immediately dead to them anyway.
Even then the stealth belts are only a tiny bit slower in time to kill than the M20 belts in my experience so far, despite being “bugged”
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What about me?
~33 hours in F4U-4 (Sim)
~19 hours in P-51C (Sim)
~6 hours in P-51D5 (Sim)
~8 hours in F6F-5 (Sim)
(assumption: 1 game ~60 minutes, which is true within ±10 minutes)
(Out of total 343 hours flown)
For comparison, my highest playtime vehicle is the Bf 109 F4 at 46 hours (Sim), so the F4U-4 and P-51C are not insignificant.
I have never had issues with .50 cals dealing damage provided I actually hit the enemy. Coincidentally, .50 cals are the easiest guns to aim by virtue of being able to hold down the trigger and wiggle my nose at the target.
Mineshells being eaten by my target’s rudder without impacting flight performance? Now that happened a fair bit.
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I never said that
Genuinely. LEARN. TO. READ. Im not convinced you aren’t just trolling at this point
I have more kills in that P-51C than you do in your most played WW2 .50 cal plane, which you have FOUR HUNDRED GAMES played in it.
your highest KDR - being the P-51H with 1.53 is barely matching my average KDR with .50 cal armed planes, For comparison my P-51H KDR is 3.13.
I am not and have never included M3 browning armed planes in this discussion, neither has anyone else.
M23 not being accurate to real life is just one tiny part of a very long list of things that warthunder is not emulating properly. Its not special.
Buffing M23 would still make it only 50% filled with an effective round when M20 is filled with 100% of an effective round. Let me do the maths for you: 50% is less than 100%.
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This seems to be a more general issue with all HE-type rounds. “Instant” fuses really are not truly “instant” in reality - they do kinetically pen some amount of armor by the simple impact force of them hitting something. However, this game does not model that AFAIK, which is why rounds like M23 fail to penetrate plane skin to shred fuel tanks in such a manner, even though plane skin is extremely thin and frail towards any kind of bullet, as it has to be lightweight.
The same shit happens with much larger pure incendiary rounds like MK108 pure incendiary.
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the only troll is the guy asking for .50 cal buffs
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A while back certain Japanese HE shells did not fuse and just went through soft materials like an AP. They would only fuse when penetrating internal components.
Im going to quote part of my own post from August, again:
I have even spent more time now with you playing more games, doing more testing, saving and editing the recordings to post and show evidence to yet again provide a clear picture of what is happening ingame and the performance of the guns. After I had spent multiple hours of my real life doing the same for Dovah.
That is quite a subsantial amount of effort to put in for “a troll”
You havent actually provided any evidence that M23 is bugged, fortunately for you others have. You’ve put no effort in to actually showing your argument besides typing words, half of which were direct insults at me instead of actually providing meaningful discussion.
lets see, you show up out of nowhere, make meaningless clams and start an argument based on obviously incorrect information that you cant even bother checking, for some reason believe that obviously bugged ammo should not be fixed (you still have not given a reason why gaijin should not fix obvious bugs), and you are the one who started by insulting me
so no, if anyone here is a troll it is you
wow, even more proof that you dont know what you are talking about and are trolling, given that it is very obviously bugged but you evidently cant even bother to check before starting an argument about how it shouldnt be fixed
as it has even been proven in this thread multiple times, and you claim to have read this thread the only reasonable explanation is being ignorant on the subject matter or trolling
oh yes, asking for bugs to be fixed is trolling now I guess
next time cannon damage breaks maybe I should say that, because apparently you think that makes sense
There is no bug about .50cals lighting fires, maybe you should just aim better?
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wow
and you say im trolling
My first post in this thread was on MAY 2. post number 460. But sure I showed up out of nowhere
Meaningless being code for “you dont have a good answer for” in this context
I asked a question. You started an argument
Please quote exactly what information was incorrect. Go on. Do it.
You know except the hour of flying the damn plane, shooting the guns at enemy planes, and posting the video record of the results.
Please quote the exact sentence where I said that
My first comment and reply to you in the last few days was post #1217. Three posts later, your post #1220 provided the first insult of:
Yet another insult directly attacking my intelligence
A claim that which you personally havent actually provided any evidence of. Which despite that is a claim I have not even disagreed with you on. Mainly because people who have actually put much more effort into their arguments have provided the required evidence for you.
*You started
Again, quote me where I said that thanks
By other people, not by you.
Since post #460 as I said above
So ignorant that I spent hours reading up on the ammo types, and spending even more hours testing them physically in game and quite clearly showing and discussing my results. Have you done any of that? Have you posted videos ingame showing your argument?
But Im the ignorant one? Because my opinion is different to yours?
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PLEASE QUOTE EXACTLY WHERE I SAID LITERALLY ANY OF THAT
I triple dare you
You want to put words into my mouth and falsify what I said, then how about you god damn quote where I said it instead of blatantly lying
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this whole time you have been trying to get me to give an argument about why a very major bug should be fixed
and have tried to say doing so wouldnt matter because M20 rounds exist