I’m not saying that this should be normal damage or this is “What happened” all the time.
But obviously we’re seeing destruction here that can’t be achieved in-game with how .50s are. I have NEVER in my life of playing war thunder seen a full on fuel explosion from a .50.
Because since day one of the game we still didn’t get proper HE blast (any explosion type) simulation yet they use very simplified solution - sphere.
we do.
50cals are completely fine yall are whining to much this is why IS2 1944 got moved to 6.7
same reason half of russian planes are undertiered
Never seen them happen. All I have seen are fires. No explosions
You can literally blow a B-17 wing off with 2 20mm rounds. Japanese 12.7mm can blacken entire P-47 wings off with an average of 2 rounds, Russian 12.7mm Berezin IAI can do the exact same and even blacken some wings with a single shot.
It’s legitimately not fair for every other country in the game to have 12.7s that can detonate you easily while the U.S. has to be HIGHLY specific on the convergence they fire at and make sure they hit a fuel tank or the pilot or else they do no damage. At the same time, the ability to start fires in .50s have been nerfed greatly compared to previous years
If they won’t buff US ones surely the others are over performing
you can do that with 2 .50 cal too. difference is that a 20mm is 8mm larger in diameter so of course it’s gonna do it better.
mf whos never played other nations but USA for enough time to learn how a vehicle works. all .50 browning is the exact same across all nations who use it, this isn’t a “USA suffers” its a “USA skill issue”
Also you have a incredible K/D in the p47 which uses .50 browning why are you whining they obviously work very well
they are the exact same hes being nonsensical mate
Japan 12.7 is 12.7x81, it should be worse in every way
smaller cartridge so lower velocity, the bullet will be same diameter. the difference is in the actual shot, do you have the differences in explosive or incendiary fillers? as tbh from using the jap 13.2mms on the NK9H I could not tell you the difference in damage between that and a .50 browning
| Gun | Designation | Caliber | Type | Velocity | Weight | Explosive | Incendiary | Additional Features | Fuze Type |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Browning AN/M2 .50cal | M8 API | 12.7mm | API | 874m/s | 42.9g | - | 0.97g Flash powder | 25.9g Hardened Steel Core | Fuzeless |
| Browning AN/M2 .50cal | M20 API-T | 12.7mm | API-T | 899m/s | 40.4g | - | 1.16g Flash powder | 23.6g Hardened Steel Core | Fuzeless |
| Browning AN/M2 .50cal | M1 Incendiary | 12.7mm | Incendiary | 911m/s | 41.3g | - | 2.2g Flash powder | 14.7g Hollow Steel Tube | Fuzeless |
| Browning AN/M2 .50cal | M23 Incendairy | 12.7mm | Incendiary | 1036m/s | 33.2g | - | 5.83g Flash powder | IM-28 Incendiary | Fuzeless |
| — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — |
| Ho-103 | Ma 103 | 12.7mm | HEI | 803.5m/s | 34.4g | ~0.6g RDX | 1g Flash powder | - | Striker |
| Ho-103 | Ma 102 | 12.7mm | HEI | ~800m/s | 32.2g | 1.65g PETN + RDX | 1g Flash powder | - | Fuzeless |
| — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — |
| Berezin UB | B-32 | 12.7mm | API | 820m/s | ~49g | - | ~1g Flash powder | - | Fuzeless |
| Berezin UB | BZT | 12.7mm | API-T | 850m/s | ~45.8g | - | ~1g Flash powder | - | Fuzeless |
| Berezin UB | BZF-46 | 12.7mm | API | 840m/s | ~46.5g | - | ~1.2g WP | WP behind steel core | Fuzeless |
| Berezin UB | MD | 12.7mm | HE | 845-860m/s | ~44g | 1.9g PETN | - | ~0.1g PETN in Fuze | Striker |
| Berezin UB | MD-46 | 12.7mm | HE | 875-890m/s | ~43g | 2.4g PETN | - | - | Air Compression |
| Berezin UB | MDZ-46 | 12.7mm | HEI | 845-860m/s | ~43.5g | 1.65g PETN | 1.2g Flash powder | - | Air Compression |
| Berezin UB | MDZ-3 | 12.7mm | HEI | 875-890m/s | ~38.5g | 1.9g PETN | 1.3g Flash powder | - | Air Compression |
| — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — |
| 12.7mm Breda-Safat | - | 12.7mm | API | 760m/s | ~37g | - | Probably around 1g of WP | 20.8g steel core | Fuzeless |
| 12.7mm Breda-Safat | - | 12.7mm | API-T | 760m/s | ~37.2g | - | Proabably around 1-1.5g of Thermite | 11.2g steel core | Fuzeless |
| 12.7mm Breda-Safat | S | 12.7mm | HE | 760m/s | 36g | ~0.8g PETN | - | ~0.25g PETN in Fuze | Striker |
| 12.7mm Breda-Safat | SI | 12.7mm | HEI | 760m/s | 36g | ~0.15g PETN | ~1g Flash powder w/ TNT | ~0.25g PETN in Fuze | Striker |
| 12.7mm Breda-Safat | SIT | 12.7mm | HEI-T | 760m/s | 37.5g | ~0.15g PETN | ~0.6g Flash powder w/ TNT | ~0.25g PETN in Fuze | Striker |
| — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — |
| MG 131 | Pz.Brd | 13mm | API (WP) | 710m/s | 38g | - | 0.86g WP | Very poor ballistics | Fuzeless |
| MG 131 | Sprgr.-L’spur | 13mm | HE-T | 750m/s | 34g | 1.17g PETN | - | 0.2g PETN in Fuze | Striker |
| MG 131 | Brsprgr.-L’spur | 13mm | HEI-T | 750m/s | 34g | 0.9g PETN | 0.3g Elektron Thermite | 0.2g PETN in Fuze | Striker |
| MG 131 | Brgr.-L’spur | 13mm | Inc-T | 770m/s | 32g | - | ~2.6g Flash powder | Sheet steel cap | Percussion Cap |
| MG 131 | Brgr.-L’spur | 13mm | Inc-T | 750m/s | 34g | - | 2.2g Flash powder | Final model | Percussion Cap |
| MG 131 | Brgr. | 13mm | Inc | 770m/s | 32g | - | ~4.0g Flash powder | Sheet steel cap | Percussion Cap |
wow so the japanese stuff is significantly worse.
makes sense this is 1940s japan we are talking about.
According to wiki 13.2x99 Hotchkiss on Japanese planes has less energy and velocity than .50 BMG on US stuff
But maybe the weight of the round (depending on what you use) makes it more similar in damage
A single Jap .50 has the capacity to do this.
Such a skill issue. Yes. I have such a skill issue that my bullets just simply do no damage while some random crapbox Ki-44 can click me once or twice and my plane turns to mush.
.50s are at the second most weakest point they’ve ever been as gaijin has removed almost any and all structural damage form the round. Unless you shoot DIRECTLY where the fuselage is at, and line up your convergence JUST PERFECTLY. Then you can do something. Some random Mig-3 can click me once or twice and his 12.7s obliterate me. Meanwhile, ANY. ANY round with even a tinkly wink of ‘explosive filler’ no matter how small hits like a truck due to ‘realshatter’.
The only time the .50 was weaker than what we have currently was when gaijin nerfed it back in 2014/2015 where it was a guaranteed firestarter. They nerfed it so hard, that API-T didn’t work anymore and you had to use GROUND TARGETS to do any reasonable damage.
Russian 12.7x108 should be slightly better than US .50 BMG but not that much better
using omni purpose ammo vs specialised ammo how fair and equal and totally not poor show from you at all for this comparison plus you should know by now that protection analysis is always squiffy.
you’re mad you got outplayed and are blaming the ammo.
must not have hit anything to catch fire. we all are taking minimum fuel 95% of the time its not surprising
third weakest. the Japanese .50cal is worse. and who would guess the 12mm is worse than a 20 or 30mm.
nose mounted, much easier to smack your pilot or fuselage fuel tank.
russian 12.7 is also a smidge better than .50 browning
this is a cope bost bro
First of all, you’re trolling right now.
He didn’t win. I still killed him on the second pass. But the fact this burst he survived is insane with no fire.
I also did hit something important.
didn’t argue that .50 is stronger than 20mm. You put those words in my mouth. Not me. My issue is that there are nations that have the exact same caliber as U.S. .50s but they are MASSIVELY stronger than the U.S. .50s. In fact you should scroll up and actually read a little bit what I said before.
Not cope. I showed how much stronger their 12.7mm is. It can blacken a wing in one shot.
U.S. .50s can’t copy that damage.
if the 12.7x108 is really doing that much more damage then it seems like its acting more like 14.5mm than 12.7mm
and if Japanese/French 12.7 is actually doing more damage, it should be the other way around
It’s because gaijin considers anything with ‘explosive filler’ as insanely strong for no reason. Mixed with wet paper DMs you end up with aircraft that just break apart with ease.
Thing is is that most of U.S. has AP so it does very little damage to wing structure and because gaijin doesn’t even consider regular incendiary filler to actually have any kind of detonation effect. It just smacks the skin doing no damage. You in essence have a completely useless piece of ammunition. Compound this that the fixed ‘real shatter’ has made explosive weapons more powerful, far too powerful even. You wind up with MGs with barely enough explosive filler to rub between your fingers capable of ripping wings off in 2 shots. while the U.S. you have to grind them down or strike the fuselage.
Problem is there’s people who think this is realistic. But if that was the case, the U.S. would do everything possible to swap to 20mm during the war, logistics be damned, their opponents weapons are way better. or would’ve slipped HE filler in their bullets.
But gaijin admits this is due to gameplay purposes, but you now have insanely strong damaging machine guns while U.S. machine guns are missing any kind of damage.
My point is that everyone can kill eachother with ease. Everyone has super strong guns that can rip someone apart or generally severely cripple with one hit.
The U.S. on the other hand has to fire at a specific convergence and at a specific target to cause any damage while fires are entirely based on RNG.
My point is. If everyone’s guns are broken. Why aren’t mine?
