2S38 to 11.0

[Necronomica]

yes? which would be countered by the better pen and way better AA rounds of the S238?

[AWACS_Ghost_Eye1]

Thats another topic. As of right now 90% of the players wouldve have more tank kills than planes in their 2S38. However, the thing is that in order for it to operate, there would be a small radar vehicle(based off of BMP-3 too) to provide searches, which is not a feature in warthunder yet.
Additionally, labelling it an SPAA and give it a BR higher would meant that the 2S6 can do its job but better.

[killite19]

The 2S38 hunts using thermals. A radar support vehicle isn’t necessary. We already have things like the Imp Chaparral sitting at 10.3 with only thermals for air hunting.

[Vamilad]

@MotorolaCRO

Thinking something is 1.3 BR undertiered means that vehicle should perform way above average when looking at the player’s stats.

@Vamilad

Gaijin isn’t going to raise the BR of a Russian vehicle unless the K/D of the vehicle is 70% (Strela).

Too many noobs buy the 2S38 and die, it’s never going to have its BR raised while player statistics are what’s used to balance vehicles.

Same points again and again and again.

[MotorolaCRO]

@Vamilad

unless the K/D of the vehicle is 70%

70% K/D ?

[Vamilad]

@MotorolaCRO

Thinking something is 1.3 BR undertiered means that vehicle should perform way above average when looking at the player’s stats. Honestly, you can’t even see vehicles that are 1.3 BR above you in matches, which implies the difference between X and X + 1.3 vehicles is absolutely massive and that should reflect in everyone’s stats.

Your demand.

[SlowHandClap]

If the 2S38 was not a Russian vehicle it would be higher than 10.0. They are clearly not equal to each other, but there is also no way there should be a 1.3 BR difference. It’s standard RussianBias™, with a healthy dose of pay2win.

@MotorolaCRO

when looking at the player’s stats.

The player stats that we can’t see? Kills/deaths from an individual’s player card is not a good way to judge a vehicle. It’s tiring how often Russian-bias-defenders need this explained. Especially when the same people will (correctly) discount things like ThunderSkill.

[eqS729gYidXuT2BN]

I mean the only notable difference in pen-able area is in the side shot, though. The 2S38 and Strv have similar amounts of pennable front area here

[MotorolaCRO]

@Vamilad

Your demand.

But tell me what’s 70% K/D.

[MotorolaCRO]

@SlowHandClap

If the 2S38 was not a Russian vehicle it would be higher than 10.0.

I don’t know if that’s the case, there’s loads of non-Russian premiums that are really strong and barely receive any attention from Gaijin.

@SlowHandClap

The player stats that we can’t see? Kills/deaths from an individual’s player card is not a good way to judge a vehicle.

I was implying that a vehicle that’s 1.3 BR undertiered should have abnormal stats by default, because you know, it’s criminally undertiered.
Being 1.3 BR under your real BR is a huge difference in my opinion and looks like a literal crutch, which would help everyone perform much better than they already are, it doesn’t matter if they are really bad or good.

[Vamilad]

50% = 1:1

70% = 1.5:1

100% = 2:1

[Vamilad]

@MotorolaCRO

which would help everyone perform much better than they already are, it doesn’t matter if they are really bad or good

Then why isn’t the OTOMATIC 10.0 since it doesn’t matter if there are people who are really good or really bad with it?

[SlowHandClap]

You can’t use logic to help someone out of a hole they didn’t use logic to get into.

[AlvisWisla]

So according to your post there’s no system of judging if a vehicle is more powerful than another in matches…

If the 2S38 wasn’t a Russian vehicle it’d still be 10.0, see Strf 9040C, see M24 light tanks which are notoriously under-BR’d.

[SlowHandClap]

@AlvisWisla

So according to your post there’s no system of judging if a vehicle is more powerful than another in matches…

Try reading just once for a change.
I said kills/deaths from individual players are not a good way to judge balance.

@AlvisWisla

If the 2S38 wasn’t a Russian vehicle it’d still be 10.0,

@SlowHandClap

A wise man once said: don’t believe anything until razervon has denied it.

[Vamilad]

@AlvisWisla

M24 light tanks which are notoriously under-BR’d.

M24 is under-BR’d? How?

[Vamilad]

@AlvisWisla

If the 2S38 wasn’t a Russian vehicle it’d still be 10.0, see Strf 9040C

225mm APFSDS versus 170mm APFSDS

IRST tracking versus no IRST tracking

Access to APCBC shell with 151mm penetration

but hey they both have a funny gun that shoots fast

[AlvisWisla]

It’s a fast stabilized Sherman gun.
Its equivalents are all at 4.3 as well, which includes AMX-13 FL.

1- It’s IRT not IRST.
1a- IRT doesn’t impact BR, see M3A3 Bradley.
2- APCBC is drastically inferior to APFSDS, and is at 8.3 and 7.0.

@SlowHandClap
So you believe that performance comparing singular players and giving them ratios for like-equipment, and comparing those ratios to other players is superior?
Cause I certainly do.
It’s how I’m able to determine over-performing vehicles in the BR system when cross-analysis can’t answer my questions.

[Vamilad]

@AlvisWisla

It’s a fast stabilized Sherman gun.

The M24 doesn’t have a stabilizer.

@AlvisWisla

Its equivalents are all at 4.3 as well, which includes AMX-13 FL.

The AMX-13 FL is much smaller and has better armor sloping.

[SlowHandClap]

@AlvisWisla

So you believe that performance comparing singular players and giving them ratios for like-equipment, and comparing those ratios to other players is superior?

Using a sample size of one for anything is stupidity. That should have been taught to you in highschool maths.

@AlvisWisla

Cause I certainly do.

Thank you for confirming what we already knew.