It’s armor only work against chemical rounds, which isn’t something to brag about in my opinion.
2S38 is better than Strf 9040C in 95% of metrics, those two shouldn’t share the same BR.
No it’s not.
In fact, Lvkv has only search radar going for it at AA duties, while in everything else relevant it lacks quite a bit to 2S38.
We can only agree on a fact that Strf is a much worse AA than 2S38, while being worse AT at the same time. Other than that, not really.
we are starting at 10.0
it has the best light tank auto-cannon APFSDS +0.3
it has the best thermal among light tanks of this rank +0.7
It has anti-air capability +0.3
it has silent lock +0.3
so we are at 11.7
i can get -0.3 for it only for sizes
but also +0.3 because ammo almost never detonates.
but also +0.3 because it has HUGE ammo number
Best? I’d say on par with the long Bofors.
Anti-air doesn’t increase BR unless its anti-air is superior to its anti-tank, which it is not.
Silent lock exists everywhere, which again its anti-air is worse than its anti-tank so that’s irrelevant.
Thermal difference between 2 & 3 doesn’t matter, and all IFVs at & below that BR have gen 2 or higher, so that doesn’t increase BR.
All you’ve done is prove 10.3 at best.
2S38 is a rare (maybe only) 10.0 light that has both optical tracking and HE-VT.
Which doesn’t increase its BR since its anti-air performance is below that of 10.0.
Being multi-role doesn’t increase your BR, otherwise specialized aircraft would be significantly lower than their multi-role counterparts.
F-16A ADF vs non-ADF.
cringe. If anything busts vehicle capabilities, its uppers its BR.
veak or m247 or gepart is hard lock.
cringe
tell this any 10.0-11.0 helicopters that worse than any russian helicopter, but have higher of equal BR because of thermal
F-16A dont have AIM-7 instead it has air-to-ground capability
F-16ADF has AIM-7, but no air-to-ground
F-16 B50 has both, so that its would be 12.3, even without aim9m(aim9l instead), but for you logic, F-16 B50 should stay 12.0)
It kinda does, since it can also do AA duties pretty decently while also being the best against ground targets at 10.0.
None of other 10.0 contemporaries can exceed it’s AA and AT capabilities.
Silent lock vehicles: LAV-AD, Ozelot, 2S6, Stormer HVM, ZA-35, PGZ04, PGZ09, SIDAM, OTOMATIC, Roland systems, Lvkv 9040, Kvrbv 701…
Helicopters aren’t meant to be immune from SPAA.
F-16B50 would be 12.0 without 9Ls.
@MotorolaCRO
Multi-role doesn’t inherently increase BRs, the maximum performance of one of the roles causes its BR.
No idea why you guys still argue with alvis…^^
its a open secret that the 2s38 is under tiered as well as the bmp2m and stuff
Abusing flagging a lot huh ?XD
hurts to read the truth i guess but hey
#russiasuffers
Even if we look at AT performance only, 2S38 is still for sure one or two BR steps better than Strf 9040C and PUMA.
Cause most people are rational so they like communicating with other rational people such as myself & Panther.
Implying every IFV in WT is under-BR’d is interesting, that or there’s double standards involved.
lol @ you thinking Russia suffers.
This thing still sitting at 10.0 is a joke. There has been many BR tweaks lately and I’m 100% sure Gaijin knows 2S38 should be way higher but they don’t do anything about it for some reason. We all know what that reason is.
BMP-2M is inferior to M3A3 Bradley only in gun depression and it’s lack of top-down missile.
Otherwise, if you look at stuff such as mobility, fire rate, size and “normal” missiles, 2M clearly takes the win there.
Also, it can fire on the move while M3A3 needs to wait for it’s launcher to deploy first.
Mobility is about the same, and the characteristics of Bradley I like more, it maneuvers better in smaller spaces.
Still similar enough in accel & top speed tho.
That’s why I think they’re in parity.
M3A3 doesn’t spike laser warning, but 2M can fire on the move.
Too bad most matches are CQB making both rather useless.
M3A3 is noticeably less mobile than BMP-2M.
I agree they aren’t great in CQC environment, but even there 2M has the edge with it’s much better fire rate and ability to fire 4 missiles in quick succession while moving.
Pretty waste of time to try convince people like RazerVon how potent 2S38 is. There will be always zillion excuses, there will be always some vehicle better in some parameter.
I also always face palm when I see:
IMO HSTL-V is on pair with the 2S38. Where the HSTL-V has an edge in mobility and cannon depression, the 2S38 outweighs with AA capability and Gen3. Really nothing what would justify 1.3BR gap.
Anyhow I’m quite curious how the hell the 3UBM22 with roughly half of the muzzle energy of the XM885, has just 18% less penetration.
some people call it magic, the others just Ru propaganda, Just like ka 52 and its maw? or what its called to lazy to look it up rn
yeah no this thing needs to be immediately moved up to 11.0, this thing is absolutely insane at 10.0 and should not stay there unless they remove its dart.
You claim Russia suffers, I don’t think you’re going to be that valid.
@Steelbeast
This is how: http://www.longrods.ch/perfcalc.php
HSTV-L is faster & smaller, while being more survivable.
That’s just reality. HSTV-L is superior to 2S38. You & the dude claiming Russia suffers can claim otherwise, but the reality of it is that 2S38 & Strf 9040C aren’t as good in anti-armor as you think.
Being good in anti-air doesn’t increase BR unless it’s better than the anti-tank role.
@Clangokkuner
Sure, move it to 9.3 removing its APFSDS.