Oh so me getting 5+ kill games with a 10.0 vehicle at 11.3 is completely fine eh? Yes this evaluation should be taken with a grain of salt but this would show that the 2S38 is eligible for a change of BR as it wouldn’t struggle at all with those new 10.3 or 10.7 BRs.
The 2S38 is literally a better HSTVL and guess what BR that things sits at XD
Man anti era gonna make my job killing Russians whole lot easier
You’re sounding like another user, Pompous.
2S38 is inferior to HSTVL sir Russia fan.
I was spading my pancake, so far I’ve faced plenty of cancerous vehicles myself, hordes of Begleitpanzer 57 and Wolfpack really driving me crazy, furthemore 8 out of 10 matches I was facing 10.3. Can’t wait for the premium pack to go on sale lol second round of hell.
Same.
Also if they remove this stupid amount of clouds on every single ground rb match it will be much easier to find and kill those pesky Pantsir’s.
My dude you missed one crucial point.
When 2S38 Has less pen IT also dont have to face the best armored mbts since they are in the same team.
HSTVL penning side of the T-80s or 72B3 is pure rng, you can put 20shells in the side of them and do nothing more than track them.
NATO tanks when not playing hulldown are just driving weakspots (lower plate, turret neck, entire side, and also russian tow2b called HE round into optics).
At 10.0 you face less protected targets with slower reactions and some of them lacks thermals to even spot 2S38 and there is no time to react since by the time them shoot at you are dead or crippled after getting hit 5-6 times.
Just like T-80BVM, 2S38 faces tanks that are 20years+ older.
Also 26 rounds with HSTVL forces you to either play near cap (unlucky if its 1cap only) or do not even use its ROF cuz you will run out of ammo after 2-3 enemies.
2S38 should be at 11.0 it would do fine
10.0, most MBTs it faces will have armor.
There’s no RNG for penning, it’s deterministic.
T-80BVM when open & hull down is a driving weakspot too. Your point?
The fact you claim CV9040s & 2S38 should be 11.0 with HSTVL at 12.0+ is funny.
And yeah, 2S38 & T-80BVM aren’t that good. New =/= better than old.
I already shown you how those two aren’t equal but you keep pressing on.
What? Leo 1s, XM-1, M60, Leo 2K? Leo 2A4 and M1 also do not have good protection
T-80BVM in the open is much stronger than NATO mbts, you still have to aim at weakspots since even DM53 cant go trough UFP.
And yes new is better, imagine russia top tier without T-80BVM and T72B3. Just hop in T-90 and play at 11.7 have fun with reaction time
Leopard 2A4 & Abrams has good protection.
M60 has good protection for 9.0.
T-80BVM’s turret armor is seen at 10.3, it’s worse than 11.3 Abrams turrets. Which is why it’s 11.7 and not 12.0.
@PigtailedSlime
Dude, no one’s trolling.
Not even Kotis with his bad takes on T-80, Abrams, and 2A4.
Your precious Russian tanks aren’t the best in the world.
There is no 12.0 tank.
Also according to this Logic Merkava4 series should be 10.3 since their armor is even worse then T72B 1989 at 10.7.
No M1 is lolpenned by most of the tanks that is facing
T-80BVM turret is weak but RELIC can make it absorb shells
I’m not Russian tanks enjoyer, I just would like to see BVM fight Leo 2A7+ and SEPv3 not outdated tanks
By your logic Merkava Mk4.*
You can’t push your logic onto others.
And you’re correct, there is no 12.0 tank because Gaijin has been good not to add any tank that is superior to 11.7s we currently have.
@KotisD
With a forward facing T-80 turret, Relikt coverage is less than 40%.
Turret cheek coverage of Abrams is over 50%, and this is at 11.3 with M1A1 AIM & HC.
BVM is vastly inferior to 2A7+ & SEP3.
SEP3 is even T-14 territory.
This is why T-90M & 2A7 are being talked about now, cause they’re likely coming with a new ground BR.
İm not pushing my Logic into others, i basically used to your Logic on T80BVM’s turret armor.
Seems like you misunderstood.
It’s not.
No, my logic behind my BR suggestions is comparative analysis involving all parts of vehicles.
Lets see.
At 10.3 it can face T72B,T72AV,T64B,T72B 1989,T90A,T80UM,2S25M,T80U and T80UK
All those Russian tanks can lolpen M1 Abrams by just using 3BM42, T90 can even lolpen better with 3BM60, UM,UK,U and 2S25M can do it with 3BM46.
Merkava 3B,C can also do that with M833.
Same goes for Type-90’s and TKX(P).
ZTZ96 series including premium version can also do that, same goes for ZTZ99 series as Well.
Chally Mk3, Vickers Mk7 can also do it with L26 shells.
You’re wrong, yes not all tanks can lolpen regular M1 Abrams but most of the enemies it faces can do it without any issue.
And im not gonna even talk about how butter hull armor is and how turret ring is exposed cause after all those years gaijin still refusing fix the turret height.
What im saying is BVM is not the only top tier tank that has weakness you can find at lower br.
So this shouldnt be use as an argument.
I didn’t use that as an argument. I used that as the reason it’s 11.7 instead of 12.0, as the UFP is the only reason BVM is 11.7 instead of 11.3 with T-80U & T-72B3.
I only speak on topics I have knowledge on, and sometimes that knowledge is dated, and usually it isn’t dated.
Being open minded isn’t hard, which is why I keep an open mind to all things.
There’s no need to push insults.