Same here.
Cant even play my Chally Ds or M1KVT or Cv90105 without getting clapped by 2S38 spam most of the time.
You forgot to mention the Gen2 Thermals on CV90, compare to double Gen 3 on a 2S38.
Like IRL who sees first, shot first and usually win the engagement, the detection capability of Gen 3 thermals id great help in that.
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Its very boring with 6-8 2S38 in every game along with 2-3 strelas that ignores countermeasures.
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The 2S38 is like any other tank in the game, if you got killed by a 2s38 you would have been killed by whatever else would have shot you. The only advantage it truly has is it’s quick followup shot so if it bounces the first it gets you on the others. Like all of top tier, dont get shot first…
I can’t wait until you all see thr BMPT
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I think that is to short of a thought for a tank that op. You might be right that another tank would have killed you too. But as you mentioned that tank wouldnt have such a high cadence. It makes a difference if 3 2S38 flank or circle or 3 MBT. Because the 3 2S38 can kill an entire team in seconds. And with their high pen on that low BR they can kill anything. Easily. And they are “no armor best armor”. I really wonder why you say it like its nothing. That follow up is all that matters in War Thunder.
What?
2km penetration @ 60 degrees.
76/62 APFSDS- 314mm
3UBM22- 186mm
m/01- 160mm
m/90- 134mm
2S38’s anti-tank capability is drastically inferior to OTO’s arrow.
@MotorolaCRO
OTO’s only notable con is its size.
12 rounds of high-penning APFSDS is still 4 - 12 kills.
As for CV9040s, they’re about as fast.
The caliber differences aren’t big enough to notice notable spall changes.
And as for turret traverse, they’re fine for dealing with helicopters and low flying aircraft which is what the.
The radar is what replaces the more pen. Which is why both are 10.0.
Yeah, manned turret, but on an autocannon tank that isn’t as much of an advantage if you don’t have the PUMA armor to back it up. Speaking of PUMA, that’s more speedy than both of these tanks.
@Steelbeast
The difference between gen 2 & gen 3 requires map ranges that really don’t exist.
The 2S38 is played in large % by newbies who have not grinded up the tree and learned what they are doing (UNLIKE for example the otomatic). But just bought their way there on day 1 or day 20.
It has to have a lower BR to compensate for that complete lack of average skill driving it, otherwise its win rates would be in the gutter.
Being as large as a house, gen1 thermals and having only 12 darts are clear downsides if you ask me. By the way, switching from AT to AA engagement will force you to eat pre-loaded dart, which is ~8% of your total dart count.
4HP/t is more than enough to list it as an advantage.
Did you forget to finish your sentence ?
Regardless, 2S38 is arguably better as an SPAA than Lvkv 9040C, while it’s much better than Strf 9040C as well, considering Strf doesn’t even have optical tracking.
Strf 9040C doesn’t have a radar.
Remember, Lvkv version only has radar going for it when it comes to SPAA duties, while it lacks in other critical features SPAAs should have, like turret traverse, elevation, optics.
It’s HE-VT is also worse.
It is, considering your enemies have to use HE/HEAT in order to kill you, unless they thread the needle and get the ammo, but you can’t reliably do that.
On the other hand, Swedish counterparts will have to expose their crew when firing, so getting shot in your turret ring will most likely knock out your breech and two crew in the turret.
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Sure.
Just dont forget to make detonate every single time when it get hits on its ammo, also dont forget to add latest NATO ammunition that can straight cut through its armor thanks to Anti-ERA feature.
Ah also remove anti-spalling abilities on Russian tanks and add it to the Nato tanks, vehicles that actually have that ability and remove other inaccuracies.
İ would like to you see your face after that.
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186 at 2km isn’t high penning. I don’t think you can go through the front of anything with that unless you get lucky. Though again, if you’re using any of those at 2km you’re playing the vehicle wrong.
Also all the PUMAs “armor” is antiheat. And since you seem so fixated on pen at ludicrous distances; by your own logic, vehicles like the PUMA and Bradley should be 8.0
PUMA’s armor & crew layout is resistant to everything, which is why it’s gone to 10.0.
And I’m glad you agree 2S38’s round isn’t as good as people thought.
It’s the equivalent of that on the HSTVL and OTOMATIC but sure I guess. And the PUMAs layout is weaker than that of the 2s38 as there is more one shot potential with crew members sitting behind and beside each other.
People are crying because of the 50% off sale and are seeing more in everyday battles. Its like that during every sale and then it dies down because it really isnt all that great.
Every new rapid fire vehicle runs into the same issue BMD-4, BMP-2M, PT-76-57, and now the 2S38
HSTVL has more pen while being smaller & faster, which is why HSTVL is the higher BR it is.
Not enough more pen to actually matter. Not smaller or faster to make more than a 0.3 BR difference.
I don’t see an issue with wanting vehicles to be added in a historically accurate way in a game that claims it’s historically accurate
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There is nothing historically accurate other than model design and some map design.
HSTVL is half the size, drastically faster, and has a round penning 310 at 100.
That’s 21% more than the 256 at 100 2S38 performs at.
I need to make the 100 meter list so I don’t have to look it up in-game every time.
They make a lot of claims about historical accuracy when justifying nerfs.
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And buffs.
After all changes only occur if people prove IRL vehicles are that manner.
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