I bet nobody talk about the “Wolfpack”. Bigger gun and survive a daim hit because the engine is located in front which take the first damage and has 105mm canon with autoreload one shot one kill compare to the 2S38 require multiple shot depend on the target on medium range.
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ah yes the anti air capability of the wolfpack is oh so great, besides that the wolfpack is no unammed turret a he shot to the turret will kill the crew, or generaly a good aimed AP shot which is not the case for the 2S38, and pls tell me again where was the lws system on the wolfpack, the 2S38 has many other different strengths, you are comparing to complelty different vehicles that share nothing with each other. As i already stated russian lover with no clue
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Don’t worry, we’re just waiting for all the suckers to buy it during the sale so we can bump it up right after.
Trust the plan.
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i did you just ignore everything else
Ah yes because the Wolfpack is a better SPAA than even the OTOMATIC, oh wait it isn’t that is the FUCKING 2S38
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2S38 should easily be moved up by a BR step or two.
It gets overshadowed by early SAMs, let alone top tier ones, so in my opinion OTOMATIC shouldn’t be above 10.3, ever.
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I think personally they just need to nerf the pen on the round even by a little bit because sometimes you hit the thing and it doesnt get an ammo rack qnd your just sittung there getting pummuled by it.
Needs to be 11.0 at minimum.
Ideally it should be 11.3 as other than the bias code nonsense it benefits from it’s standard capabilities mean it’s criminally undertiered.
I’ll also remind everyone that Gaijin violated their own rules about vehicle additions when they added it. It’s not only a prototype not yet in service but there’s no way in hell they have enough information to have supported creating and adding it into WT in the first place.
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You think this is the first time?
Of course not, but it is the most egregious and one of many prime examples of Russian Bias.
We are talking about light tanks you bring SPAA then create new topic pls.
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While I totally support the need of uptiering that utter garbage of a tank, as it is the sole reason to get me into the forum after continously beeing spammed in every match with this ridicule that can easily pen 10.0 mbt through the front (at least hull), I wonder if there are official statistic to this vehicles performance escpecially in comparison to others like Tam 2 IP or M1128. Not to talk about tanks like Puma with just half the pen and double the size. And while I do hate the M1128 for its unmanned turret too, they are much less annoying.
I can’t imagine the overall performance of these tanks in 10.0 is not at least about 70% above average.
Would be grateful if anyone knows about the statistics and can link/share.
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Just saying but the M1128, does not count as an unmammed turret, the gunner and commander are just stationed quite low but they still are above the turret ring
You just said the Otomatic should be ~11.0 by stating 2S38, an inferior vehicle, should be increased.
@GNDM_Panzer @J_ackal
You just admitted Gaijin violated no rules of vehicle additions.
Not sure why you guys want Lvkv 9040C at 11.0 tho, and HSTVL at 12.3.
you act as if the 2S38 is not more capable than the OTO, you need to know that the 2S38 is functionally ingame a combo of the HSTVL and the OTO, for a good argument you need to bring up both
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what? Motorola said that the OTO should not be above 10.3 what are you on about
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He said 2S38, a vehicle inferior to Otomatic, should be raised, which would keep Otomatic at a higher BR.
However, lowering Otomatic to a ridiculous BR would certainly keep 2S38 at 10.0.
Everything is relative.
I mean, we could have the dart removed entirely from OTO and it moved to 9.3 - 9.7.
Oh, and for now, CV9040s are on par with 2S38.
considering that the AT capabilities of the OTO are below that of the 38 along with the fact the OTO is taller and less survivable, I think they are on par
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I didn’t.
It has multiple cons when compared to 2S38.
Let’s quickly write down pros and cons of 9040C when compared to 2S38.
Pros:
- Search radar
- Better gun depression (-8deg vs -5deg)
- Better reload (0.2s vs 0.5s)
- 4 more rounds in ready rack (24 vs 20)
- More rounds in total (234 vs 148)
Cons:
- Lower caliber gun (40mm vs 57mm) meaning less spall
- Much lower turret traverse speed (29.7 deg/s vs 51 deg/s)
- Much lower gun elevation (50deg vs 75deg)
- Worse optics (fixed 8x vs 4.0x / 9.4x)
- Worse rounds (both APFSDS and HE-VT)
- Worse mobility
- Manned turret
Looks like 9040C has only search radar going for it when you compare their anti-air capabilities, while in everything else relevant to anti-air work, 2S38 is a clear winner.
Anti-ground capabilities are in favor of 2S38 as well.
So I don’t see a reason why those two should be considered equal.
So by your reasoning 12 rounds of 75mm darts are enough to move a vehicle from 9.3 to 11.3. How interesting is that.
Strf 9040C is a worse vehicle objectively.
Only thing it has over 2S38 is gun depression and slightly better reload speed, while (greatly) lacking in lots of other fields.
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