2S38 needs a BR bump

Machinery of War Discussion Ground Vehicle
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You are not talking about when 2s38 was at BR 9.7 but this post is addressing the fact that 2s38 is at BR 10.3 and should undergo a BR increase… Please don’t go off topic just to be right

Dude I never defended 2s38, the only one defending 2s38 is you, please avoid dumping your statements on me… I guess I have touched a nerve to have induced you to write such nonsense… Also what does the HSTVL have to do with anything? I never mentioned it as this post is about increasing BR 2s38.

However it’s not the first time I’ve seen you shift blame for statements you’ve made on the guy who points out that you’re wrong, I guess it’s your own self protection system… I don’t want to know, it’s your problem, not mine… Now you see why I didn’t want to get into a discussion with you, it’s impossible to have a healthy discussion.

Never said it was a ‘US military company’… Here again you are in full delusion… that’s why I didn’t want to have a coversation with you you indulge in incoherent thoughts or speeches and start ranting or raving.

And I don’t know where you got this from, but you should reread what I wrote in this post, but neither is what you stated true… Thank you for proving my point and confirming that you speak nonsense and phoniness…

Having said that I close the conversation completely, you can continue with your ramblings, but I will not answer you again.

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@Hetaeron
Dude all your posts have done is defend the 2S38 by claiming it’s so great and amazing when it’s just good.
Strf 9040C should be made 10.0, and 2S38 is fine at 10.3. How many nuke videos have 2S38? Not many compared to other tanks. Even BMP3 has more nukes.

You made the overt claim that those 9.0s moved up with 2S38, but they’re still 9.0 and not 9.3.

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Dude you use the same arguement every post to defend 2s38 from BR increase
The fact that u denied the listed vehicle from mine when literally you have to research some of them to progress further is crazy
It baffle me people like you exist
Eat sand

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@MrBombastic8
Here you are coming to the defense of 2S38 cause it was moved up in BR.

The vehicles you listed weren’t moved up, they were all 9.3 when 2S38 was 10.0.

“It baffles me that people who defend 2S38 moving up in BR exist.” As obviously “like you” = “who defend 2S38 moving up in BR.”
There it is, you want 2S38 back to 10.0 and you hate everyone that got it moved up to 10.3.

Learn civility.

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I made a typo
You use one sentence of my arguement to declare that shit when you ignore every of my other arguements
You nitpick someone arguement to tell them that they are wrong
And then someone call you out they get auto mod
crazy

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@MrBombastic8 I’ve never ignored a post in the history of my life.
I’ve never dismissed arguments based on any singular aspect of an argument.
I’ve never nitpicked; addressing sentences is not nitpicking.
If you’re claiming to have called me out for criticizing 2S38 and getting it moved to 10.3; THAT is your posts defending 2S38.

Calling out my arguments MEANS to call out MY arguments, not strawmen invented by others.

IF you have an issue with me getting 2S38 moved up, so be it.
If you agree with me about the fact 2S38 got moved up, then fantastic.
Either way I have thousands of players that agree with my statement, including the OP’s agreement with me:

Though their post was a tad wrong on claiming it should be 11.0 when the vastly superior HSTVL was 11.3.
The difference between 2S38 and HSTVL is akin to the difference between T-54 and ZTZ-88.

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Lot’s of weird projection here.

First off, I’m not gonna avoid anything, Lol. Lord.

Second off, as previously stated…design issue.
I’m sorry people don’t use the OTO strictly as SPAA and it’s magazine is restricted when compared to the 2S38.

Maybe it’s a skill issue with me, because when I get shot with any main tank round in the game my 2S38 get’s blown to pieces. I don’t carry maxed out ammunition either.

So based off of my experience, it’s fine where it’s at.

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its nice it got moved up but not far enough and more importantly the much worse cv9040s got moved up as well

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They’re not much worse.
Right now due to Abrams and Type 90 turret rings, they act the same.
Only HSTVL’s penetration pens more things than Strf9040 and 2S38 due to minimum armors.

That’s why I say once Abrams’ turret ring is fixed Strf 9040C NEEDS to go back to 10.0.

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Nothing needs to go back down.
Decompression is the answer not recompression.

We need an update of mostly fixes for vehicles but, abrams, chinese mbts , etc etc etc.

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That’s not compression.
There’s no debating that as the word compression - the act of pressing things together or pressing something into a smaller space.

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If you move a vehicle back down it further causes compression.

seeing as its 10.3 right now to move it down to 10.0 would cause it to compress 9.0s

theres no debating that as the word compression - the act of pressing things together or pressing something into a smaller space

so you pushing a 10.3 down will cause compression of the BRs bellow it.

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No, moving a vehicle CLASS down to beyond balancing is compression.
For it to be compression 12.0s would have to move to 11.7.

There is no debating the word compression. Accept the definition or you’ll always be wrong.

Moving Strf 9040C to its correct BR is not decompression nor compression, it’s just moving a singular vehicle for balance.
Its equivalent vehicles are all 10.0.

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Seeing as im the qualified english teacher here I think I know how the word is used.

If you push down a 10.3 battle rated Auto cannon IFV it will cause additional compression to the bracket bellow it e.g 9.0 and 9.3s.

There is no where in the definition that it states a large portion has to be moved. Or in this case, multiple vehicles moved down to cause it.

Lets look at a different area, the A10A and Su25k , 2 vehicles, caused the entire bracket they were in and bellow to compress massively.

The moving of one vehicle can and does systemically cause compression OR decompression.

If you move the IFV with the 170 pen dart. 0.2 second reload rate, gen 2 thermals, spall liner and a 70kmph top speed down it will cause compression for 9.0, 9.3 and even some 9.7 tanks.

If you however moved the 11.3s for example that are too much for the tank to handle, up and moved the tanks above that as well up causing more decompression there would be no need to move the the 9040C down at all.

also

The fact you had to edit this in which is literally what i said seems incredibly disengenious and misleading.

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@An_Pigeon
Argument of authority is a logical fallacy.
Compression is the total range 1.0 - 12.0, not fictional “brackets”.
That alone refutes over half of your post.

Begleitpanzer is arguably as-good as Strf 9040C and is 9.7.

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as well as editing this and adding htis in too

tell me what are its equivelants?

USA- Bradley 10.0 far slower - far worse round - 2 atgms which at the BR are its only saving grace.
Germany - Puma -10.3

USSR - 2S38? as its the only similar vehicle - 10.3

Britain - desert warrior - pitiful dart in comparison 92 pen compared to 170, believe worse sustained fire rate. faster overall, worse overall mobility.

Japan- closest comparable vehicle for a tracked light is the Type 89.
same speed , worse dart, worse reload and 2 atgms. (under BR`d too)

China- ZBD04A - slower to its top speed than the 9040c , worst dart, good missile (should really be 10.3)

Italy- VCC 80/30 - slower accelerating- worse dart, good missiles - (could be 10.3)

France - has no 10.3 however for the sake of the post the 9.7 VBCI-2 will have to suffice.
worse dart, worse profile, worse overall terrain coverage and speed due to wheels and worse fire rate…

Sweden - STRF 9040C 170 pen dart, 0.2 second auto load fire rate, spall liner, 70kmph top speed, good acceleration.

Unfortunately it is not a fallacy, it is no trick in reasoning, nor a form of an illusion.
It comes from an educated stand point on how the language I teach functions by its own definition.

this statement alone proves you are here to argue oppose to actual care for the game.

The game is split into a system of 8 ranks with brackets from reserve to 12.0
for arb now 14.0

These brackets serve as areas of where compression can take place.
E.g A10A and su25k forced mig19, f104, ariete etc back down in BR , to an area where they could no longer feesibly move down futher, Thus pushing the 8.3s down. which systematically stopped when they pushed the vietnam aka coldwar era jets down as far as they could.

If we push more tanks down all we do is cause more compression.
It doesnt mean one tank alone is going to force the entire 9.0 bracket down to 8.7 but it all has an effect.

You know that as well as i do, so no it does not refute anything at all.

Arguably an under BRd tank of its own and could be 10.0. however the difference in ammunition alone is a massive gap. APFSDS far exceded the capabilities of APBC.
the 9040C is comparable to the Puma as ive done above.

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The Strf 9040B is two BRs lower and is in fact better than the 9040C except for the better dart (which in most cases is irrelevant and doesn’t change the playstyle).

The 9040 series is limited by its ready rack size which depletes quickly, and the 9040C has less ammo than the 9040B as a whole.

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VCC 80/30 is fine where it is, if it goes up BR, the Bradley must also go up BR…

EDIT: It has the same missiles as the Bradley

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unfortunately I have to say that it is pointless arguing with him, trust me
calm down buddy, nice argument through

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ye it is a skill issue, most ifvs blow up when they are hit by a main tank apfsds. The thing is though, most ifvs dont have 57mm apfsds, dont have irst, dont have decent speed, dont have a crewless ifv, dont have access to all their rounds without a readyrack, dont have all the rounds they need for every situation, etc. Yes the 2s38 is less broken than it was previously pre module changes, but let’s not kid ourselves. It is still an extremely competitive vehicle at 1 br higher. It can contend at top tier quite well unlike most ifvs of its br or higher (10.7 ifvs or even 11.3 ifvs in some cases)

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