ye it is a skill issue, most ifvs blow up when they are hit by a main tank apfsds. The thing is though, most ifvs dont have 57mm apfsds, dont have irst, dont have decent speed, dont have a crewless ifv, dont have access to all their rounds without a readyrack, dont have all the rounds they need for every situation, etc. Yes the 2s38 is less broken than it was previously pre module changes, but let’s not kid ourselves. It is still an extremely competitive vehicle at 1 br higher. It can contend at top tier quite well unlike most ifvs of its br or higher (10.7 ifvs or even 11.3 ifvs in some cases)
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This myth must also be dispelled… If that was the case then they should not have nerfed the premium vehicles that are not Russian.
Example: The BR of the Ariete (jet) has been increased to BR 9.3… It should be at BR 9.0 since it is a sub sonic vehicle without Flare… then there is the Saharan Celere another premuim vehicle nerfed, it should have the 3 second recharge, this is its historical cannon recharge, instead they nerfed it to 5.2 seconds…
Otherwise, I cannot understand why the Russians literally have the most broken OP vehicles… Example SKR-7 should be at BR 4.7 is still at 4.3… The KA-50 can fly perfectly well even without the tail (I don’t understand then why the Russians built the tail on this helicopter as it can fly even without it), 2s38 vehicle extremely OP should stand at BR 11.3 is still at 10.3… The BI stands at BR 6.7 also this is known to be an extremely OP vehicle should stand at BR 8.0…
EDIT: Typo fixed
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Do you own the 2S38?
Have you played with it?
You fail to mention that it is the best subsonic dogfighter in the entire game, and it’s also very undertiered in sim (and the saggitario 2 is 8.0 lmao).
LMAO, You don’t say that nobody plays simulation. that’s why it’s still at BR 9.0.
And it’s also obvious that I meant the battles where you play the most, which are the realistic and arcade battles.
And clearly you have skill problems, if you allow the Ariete to destroy you at that BR where all the other jets are much faster and have access to missiles, you just hit and run to win, or shoot a missile at him while he doesn’t notice LMAO
EDIT:I also didn’t mention Sagittario 2, but since you brought it up here is an example of the clear problems it has with realistic and arcade battles. The current state of Sagittarius 2 is absolutely ridiculous with uptiers at 10.3 and 9.7 with no afterburner, flare, chaff or missiles. It can be completely avoided by the enemy team and intimidated by everything in the tier unless the enemy is stupid enough to fight it.
But the fact that it’s so good in sim disproves your point that Gaijin only keeps Russian premiums undertiered.
It can’t go to 9.0 because it is better than all 9.0 planes. It is a superior plane to the J29F, IAR-93, and the 9.0 Sabres and MiGs. You’re also assuming that every plane has access to great missiles and supersonic performance, which isn’t true.
That’s a BR compression problem.
The Ariete is the best subsonic dogfighter in the entire game, and the Saggitario 2 is close behind. Maybe the Saggitario could go to 9.0, but not the ariete.
no but why does that matter? Your issue was that it blows up when hit, that applies to almost every single ifv in the game on account of their light armor. The ways in which rthe 2s38 outshines all other ifvs i listed were objective features lacking or at least lacking in combination of other ifvs. Try playing any tech tree ifv first, then you will surely see the 2s38 fares better than them, the bradleys have shit missiles and a worse gun. the strf 9040 have a worse round, crappy missile launcher, and a 25 round ready rack, the desert warrior has much the same issues. all of these ifvs are slow. The begleit 57 is somewhat better than these, but its rounds are outclassed by the 2s38s, it doesnt have irst, and tows are still somewhat gimped. Can you name me a single ifv that is better than the 2s38?
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I don’t agree.
It’s got crap depression, obviously-zero armor, crew dies super easy.
The gun and ammo make up for it’s short comings in those areas.
I do think it’s strong. But not “Busted” or “OP.”
Also the skill issue thing. Like, for me…I suck with it IMO. So that could also affect my opinion.
But, have you ever considered that these guys who keep sending you back to the garage in their 2388’s might also just be better than you?
It does have bad depression and 0 armor but these are things most ifvs have. It still has decent acceleration and as someone who faced the receiving end of a good 2s38 player play it like any other ifv and you can wreck enemy teams. That being do your best top avoid head on engagements the aphe can be used when a side is completely exposed for a 1 shot. additionally you can punish cas quite well as well. Even in a head on engagement you do fare better against other vehicles compared to ifvs as theres frontal armor areas on most mbts that you can pen with the apfsds. Why people often insist it should be uped in br is the closet thing to it is the hstvl and while the hstvl has some advantages over it, the 2s38 has other advantages. Out of all ifvs, these two are the closet to each other yet are more than 1.0 apart in br.
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@An_Pigeon
2S38 is not similar to Bradley or Puma, they aren’t the same thing making your entire post null and void since your entire post was comparing auto-lights to IFVs, which is akin to comparing MBTs to SPAA.
Thanks for admitting there’s no compression though.
Your post arguing that VCC-80/60 and Begleit are under-BR’d would hold more weight without those comparisons.
they arent the same thing because of my own arbritrary standards that are not in game standards, classic alvis response
@taxivision An Pigeon using arbitrary standards is not me.
Please stop baiting everyone in this topic.
muh autolights even though most ifvs are autocannons.
Not sure why it has not been noted earlier but a few days ago I found out the FCS in the turret does nothing.
Only the FCS electronics in the cre compartment is actually functional so even if you destroy the part in the turret, fire control is still fully functional.
This is not a reflection of capability Vs another vehicle but simply a bug giving the vehicle more capability than it should have.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/aqGcnybPGheg
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oh i noticed that before, glad to know it is a documented bug at the very least.
@taxivision
Prove that most IFVs use 190mm+ penning high-caliber auto-cannons, I’ll wait.
Auto-light was a necessary category for vehicles that aren’t comparable to IFVs.
Like medium tank and heavy tank vs MBT.
why do i need to prove that when other ifvs have weaker autocannons and nothing to make up for them or only bad missiles to do so?
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Has I said before the cv9040c is not even close to the 2s38 not only because it’s fire power and ammo rack
It’s turret turn rate is much worse
Its power to Weight ratio is also abysmal worse than even the heaviest leopards
And both Bradleys
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