I’m aware, the VCC-80/60 is rather “slow” itself.
I more care about its ability to speed up to 30kph than speed up to its top speed… except the HSTVL on some maps, then I care about that thing’s total speed.
You Will be disappointed in both aspects
The cv9040c has an amazing 19.3hp/ton
Compared to even late leopards 2a7 and 122b which have atlest 23 hp/Ton
The 2s38 also has 23.3hp per ton
And the vcc has 22 per ton and almost twice the turrets traverse rate 57.3 aced instead of 34.9
9040c is just an unfortunate vehicle, the 9040b is a better flanking/light tank, because of the better mobility.
9040c gets like 5 tons of added weight, just from composite screens and not any actual protection. It also gets a better dart which is pretty useless because you play the vehicle the same way with or without it.
1 Like
I play it without the upgraded APFSDS, way to costly.
had battles where like in the area of 5k SL just for ammo, both Slprrj/01 and the HE-VT are expensive to use.
I would rather use the DNK or the upcoming NLD 35mm versions, their stock APDS pens 127mm, compared to the 131 APFSDS, which pens about double at angle. But it’s free ;P
But these are Belt fed, and get about 25 Hp/t, and the NLD if not both should get KETF ABM munitions against AIR.
I have spaded all the CV90’s in GFAB, where you get even more Hp, but especially the 9040C needed all Modification related to Mobility, to become bearable to say the least.
i agree with this, it while the HSTVL has more pen it has less fire rate and ammo, 2s38 will hammer you every 0.5 seconds until they magically find a hole in your armour
being able to target aircraft does seem relevant, otherwise they wouldn’t have lowered the br of the CV9035NL after removing its IRST
3 Likes
Targeting aircraft is relevant for the BR the ground vehicle is to the BR of the aircraft, not to other ground vehicles.
CV9035NL is not in the game currently.
DK is, which never had IRST and was always the same BR.
direct no, indirectly yes
It can do things that others cannot do, and it can also do things that others can do. It has strong downward pressure, and still performs well at high BR, so why not increase its BR? Otherwise it would be unfair to other vehicles in this BR
1 Like
So M247 to 11.0 cause it applies pressure?
No…
You also replied to the wrong person as I stated it should be 10.3 because of its cross-analysis conclusion.
And no, every single SPAA at or slightly below 2S38 is superior to 2S38 in the SPAA role.
The argument makes M1A2 SEP 12.0 and 2A7V 11.7 which is evidence enough that it’s a bad argument.
well M247 is a good spaa but thats it, it could go on a higher BR but thats getting off the point. I was only against your point as the targeting aircraft ability relevent not to other vehicle, but now I have more to disagree on.
what about Gepard？the only two advantages for it are radar and missiles. I do believe 2S38 could do its spaa role better than some spaa
Gepard 1A2 is 9.3, not 10.0.
On top of that you mentioned it: Stingers.
It also has a search radar.
SPAA is irrelevant to ground BR balancing as SPAA BRs are based on aircraft BRs except in cases where AP rounds exceed its anti-air capabilities.
you were saying？ did I misunderstood？
Also, there werent so much of different on how effective between gepard and 2S38, gepard have rader and 2S38 have thermal, surly a rader could see a bit further but gepards weapon cant reach that far.
so yeah, only thing that makes gepard any better is stingers, and no more.
yes, and now you got a 2S38
1 Like
I don’t get what he is saying anymore
Guess he believes the m10 should be at a the Same br as the M18 because the things that matter armor and firepower are equal(actually the m10 has more Armor)
And all the added bonuses the M18 has (power to weight Ratio turret rotation) do not Matter
See his 2s38 and cv9040C comparison which he thinks are exactly the same and should always have the same br
4 Likes
Would be interesting to see if HSTV-L gets a BR raise since its getting HE-VT (and supposedly aircraft tracking too but not sure on that one)
EDIT: If that does happen, then 2S38 really should go to 10.3, at the very least
one has:
*better mobility, in almost every metric;
- better ammo against both ground and AIR;
- has IRST to “lock on” to AIR;
- All ammo is 1st stage, so will never need to reload the 1st stage;
- crewless turret;
- side can be 50 called, but not many non US tank have those at that BR;
the other:
- high RoF, which depletes 24 round (1st stage) within 5 sec;
- but replenishes it at 1 round every 2 sec;
- total ammo was lowered to 120 rounds, from the other cv9040 248 rounds carried;
- can tank 50 cal, and some AC at range;
both have about the same size:
6.8 x 3.2 x 2.8 for CV9040
7.14 x 3.2x 2.4 for BMP3 Chassis, 2S38 is a little higher;
l x w x h
1 Like
yea the cv9040c is just a sufferbus compered to the 2s38 and pretty much any other cv90 in its br range
As a 2S38 user who has used it when it was a lower br and at its current including at 11.7 with my Pantsir lineup, the 2S38 is a glass cannon at best, you’ll struggle to turret pen, Leo’s such as the A4 up to the A7s, you’ll struggle to turret pen most modern Ambrams such as the Sep series; leclerc’s are also a danger but at the same time most things at the BR can kill each other especially side on as I constantly find NATO nation players do.
For the fair few that actually use those tanks as they were designed to be used In a hull down position yeah have fun trying to beat them when it only takes a singular round hitting any of your 148 rounds of 57mm ammo in the ready rack to destroy the 2S38 completely.
In regards for its AA capability, I typically engage enemy heli’s and aircraft at a range of 5km or less and drones at 7km ish but to simply avoid being killed by a 2S38 in your precious jets do this one simply trick to increase your life expectancy and Stop flying in a straight fucking line! the bomber crews during the bombings of Germany knew not to fly in a straight line since you’re making it easy for German triple A flak to hit your plane same shit applies here.
I’m not surprised if the people complaining of being shot down by a 2S38 are the same people saying the Pantsir is “too Op”
For reference the Pantsir is a menace in two ways;
-
You will Always be seen on its radar screen when you spawn when it’s set to 30km @83° with a 7 second update timer.
-
Only planes with a MAWs or Radar that is K band or better will be alerted to the fact you have a pantsir’s automated or manual guidance Missile Enroute to delete you for flying in a straight line.
But rest assure there’s far more dangerous SAMs then the Pantsir, the TOR-M1s and VT-1 pull far harder than the pantsir’s 30g in respective of the TORs 42gs and the VTs 50g meaning manoeuvres are far less likely to help you in the long run but they aren’t impossible to dodge which brings us back to the 2S38 and it’s Proxy fuse, if your going to fly in a straight line like a absolute buffoon at least change directions every 3-5 seconds to avoid incoming proxy fuse you’ll at least increase your chances of getting your wings, tail, rudder, flaps or elevator bricked into oblivion and then proceed to complain in match chat that that person should “cease to exist” and that the vehicle they are using is too OP.
Please for gods sake, take responsibility that you might be the one responsible for your own death in certain circumstances rather than blame everything one everyone else whom at the same time are doing their job as dictated by their vehicle and load outs.
2 Likes
Only idiot think 2S38 are on the same level as CV9040C lol
CV9040 don’t even have
IRST
CITV
LWS
AA capability are irrelevant my a*s it not just that
2S38 are undertier compare to CV9040C no matter how you look at it and HSTV-L already it at highter BR than 2S38
4 Likes
oh yea totaly forgot the 2s38 had LWS which only the cv90105 and cv90120 have (not sure about the cv90 from other nations)
lol no only 90105 and 90120 had it