2S38 needs a BR bump

Ah, right back at you:

And why are people so hung up to comparing it to the CV9040C?
comparing a Light tank, to a disguised SPAAG, why:

  • Turret traverse, almost double on the 2S38;
  • Elevation 27 compared to 75 degrees on 2S38;

only thing CV9040 has going for it is:

  • Higher RoF which can also be a curse, since the 24 rounds are gone in less then 5 sec;
  • stock dart is free, you can’t pen from the side anything more with the upgraded dart, paying like 100-ish SL per dart gets expensive real quick, same goes for the prox round;
  • better forward and reverse speed, although with worse hp/t ratio

Cause 2S38 as a SPAA is inferior to 10.0, 2S38 is 10.0 because of its anti-tank capabilities, not its anti-air.

u cant look at them seperately but together, because its combined ground and spaa performance it needs to be raised to 10.3

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2S38’s SPAA performance is 9.3, that’s significantly lower than 10.0.

combined with its ground perfromance it is 10.3

they dont want to ruin the wallet warrior 10.0 lineup. making it 10.3 wont change much

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That’s not how BRs work, otherwise M1A2 would be a higher BR with its fused round…
And it’s clearly not performing well in the best players’ hands to warrant concern.

you are comparing fused rounds of a main caliber cannon with auto cannons that shoot way faster, that alone doesnt make sense. the autocannon is just way more likely to hit planes , thats ignoring turret traverse , elevation etc

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It needs to move up, it makes 9.0 games (which they do encounter) unplayable for the opposite team, even the HSTVL is 11.3 and has only APFSDS.

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ahahaha
Dude get out of here
the amount of bs you post is unreal
you want to say the 57 he vt from the 2s38 is worse then gepards 35mm ? XD
2s38 is the best anti everything combo.
stop posting and keep chilling with the mods and inhale some more ru propaganda

Ah the flagging army is back keep going it changes nothing
inhale the propaganda become one with it lol

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You responded to the wrong person; that or you’re claiming Gepard is superior to 2S38.

Sorry to burst your bubble, or whoever’s bubble believes that falsehood that is “Gepard is superior to 2S38.”

My statement:
There’s a reason Gepard is 8.3 and 2S38 is not. 2S38 is obviously superior to Gepard.

If you agree that 2S38 is superior, then you’re literally in 100% agreement with me, and I expect an apology.

Since you didn’t change your stance I can now say for certain…
You’re the only one here posting that Gepard is superior to 2S38.
Well it isn’t.
You can claim I’m buying into German propaganda about Gepard, but that’s not true.

I think it’s mostly due to versatility. Give the Gepard 600 APDS rounds and I think it could give the 2S38 a run for it’s money.

İmagine Swedish İtpvs 90 with 600 apds rounds.

Would love to see that thing wrecking havoc until I run into one

I have been playing at lot of 10.3 German recently, shooting the breach just does nothing, dart goes through the breach and it remains completely fine, eats apfsds and rockets like nothing. This is just the puma problem but worse

I do have the 2S38, and sadly it suffers from the “hehe premium” syndrome where 90% of its users (just like BMP-2Ms) are absolutely dogshit at the game, so even with such a powerful vehicle in their hands, they underperform.

Overall it really SHOULD go up, it shares the BR with the Puma which has none of the firepower, and its “mythical” survivability relied solely on being at a low BR where everyone used HEAT-FS, since it went to 10.0, Puma’s been one of the saddest vehicles in this game (doesn’t help that Gaijin is doing jackshit about fixing it…).

Closest vehicle to 2S38 in terms of performance, unironically, is OTOMATIC, which has an APFSDS cap - but is at a significantly higher BR.

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Gonna drop my two cents as an AB tanker (not that my opinion will matter in first place)
At least in AB, it should go to 10.3
If enemy team has 3 or more of these, they’ll just steamroll your team. An in addition to that, they can also deny your teammates from air because HE-VT shells
Imagine fighting that thing in M60A3… Fun times.

I think they can rather limit it’s apfsds rounds to 100 or less. Which should fix most of the problems. If otomatic can get it’s apfsds limited then why can’t 2S38 receive the same treatment?

2S38 is probably at this point amongst the best 12.3 platform in the game, the sum of an excellent thermal with THE best probability of kill AND counterfire vehicle in the game, due to the sum of it’s almost inexistent armour with a huge empty space, ammo rack that usually (to not say at over 80-90% times) doesn’t result in an operational kill (broken gun) nor an crew loss, meaning it probably is a combat operational vehicle after being shot due to all MBT’s fielding APFSDS ammo as the loaded ammo almost in al situations. Which means you have now an vehicle that can and will fire back at a rate of 2 shells per second witch means you now have to face at least 8-12 shots sent your way until you have another shell in chamber, time more than enough to Maul, Incapacitate or already kill you before that second shell is in your breech. If you were able to survive those shots most surely your vehicle wont be able to fire back cuz at least 3-4 shells alredy got ur cannon, tracks and most likely crew. BUT HEY THAT’S OK CUZ IF YOU’RE NOT ONE OF THE MOST ARMOUR HEAVY PLATFORMS IN THE GAME YOU DON’T HAVE TO SUFFER TO SEE UR AMMO BE LOADED ONLY FOR U TO DIE CUZ YOU ARE ALREADY OPERATIONALLY KILLED, YOU BE DEAD LONG BEFORE YOUR LOADER CAN THINK ABOUT GETTING THAT SECOND SHELL OR YOUR AUTOLOADER FINISHES CYCLING, CUZ NO TANK IS FULLY INDEFEATEABLE AT FRONT HEMISPHERE, THERE ARE WEAK SPOTS IN CHALLENGER, LEOPARD 2, LECLERC, TYPE10 AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT LIVES UNDER THE SUN (ABRAMS ARE JUST FREE KILL SHOOT HULL WEAKSPOT AND UR DEAD), CUZ IF ONE 57MM APFSDS SHELL WONT KILL UR GUN OR GET THAT JUICY WEAKSPOT WITH IT’S SPOTLESS THERMAL SIGHTS THE SECOND, THIRD, FOURTH… WILL.
And here’s where it gets sketchy thats if you shoot first and fails to stop it from firing back (by criplling gun or killing crew), notice I’ve not once talked about if it sees you first (and guess what it is fully capable of doing so with 3rd gen thermals, most times better than your top tier tank thermal) cuz if it does and has the slightest capacity to pen you it will start firing at which point if your sight isn’t in it you probably be hit 4-6 times before you find him at which point you mostly are already gunless of your traverse says sayoranara andyour turret jams at which pint it will pummel you until the lucky shot hits at a point where it pens and kills your whole crew in an excruciating ponf-ponf-ponf…
BUT HEY THAT’S OK YOURE A TOP TIER MBT NOT LIKE IT CAN FACE EARLY COLD WAR DESIGNS THAT ARE AS RESILIENT TO IT AT ANY HEADINGS THAN A UNARMOURED CAR IS TO A 50 CAL. OH WAIT… IT’S 10.0 pfffffffffffftmkkkkkkkk (DIES FROM ANEURISM)