This is what I strive for, perspective sharing without insults.
So…
The 2S38 has higher survivability, a better fire rate, commander thermals, proximity shells and a unmanned turret which the HSTVL lacks all at the BR of 10.0 and you really think the HSTVL is better?
“oH BuT It hAs bEtTeR PeNeTRaTiOn”
Russia fan
I main Britain lol
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2S38 has worse survivability. Fire rate doesn’t matter since 2S38’s fire rate isn’t sustained for all its ammunition, both have CITV, proxy shells don’t equate into BR for these classes of vehicle, and HSTVL also has an unmanned turret once the commander’s dead.
People can be a fan of stuff they don’t play, I see it all the time.
HSTVL has 110mm of RH armor on the front. 45mm LFP.
2S38 has 60mm of mixed armor on the front.
2S38 has worse survivability
No, absolutely no. This is completely wrong and you know it, the amount of absorbing and penetration with no damage with this thing is insane. Even after the nerf you can tank stuff casually then annihilate your enemy.
Fire rate doesn’t matter since 2S38’s fire rate isn’t sustained for all its ammunition
The first stage ammo for the 2S38 is precisely 20, if you’re unable to kill something with it you may or may not have a skill issue. The fire rate itself literally blinds people with smoke making it harder to return fire, aim doesn’t matter as all you got to do is take out the cannon then spray n pray and being able to shoot fast is generally a welcomed thing.
proxy shells don’t equate into BR for these classes of vehicle
Well for this vehicle it would, in combination of great optics, IRST and excellent proximity makes this thing a beast at killing aerial vehicles within 5km of range. Removal of proximity WOULD decrease BR as it removes a important attribute of the vehicle, the HSTVL lacks this making the vehicle generally less versatile.
HSTVL also has an unmanned turret once the commander’s dead
Ah yes, once one of your crewmates brutally die in a horrific incident THEN your vehicles becomes unmanned!
Should we not talk about the BR difference with a vehicle which is literally better in almost all ways?
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yea agreed.
PUMA against nato MBTs is fine but against russian tanks its very very hard to pen them unless your flat next to there side with flat armor. and the thing is germany only faces russia so the PUMA is kinda useless against there T72 - T80 - T90 etc…
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I’ve one shot every 2S38 I’ve come across, HEATFS does better. 2S38 makes stock grinding anything around 10.3 a breeze.
2S38 cannot kill an entire team unless said team facing 2S38 lacks any amount of skill.
“Strf 9040C has a first stage of precisely 26, if you cannot kill something with it you may or may not have a skill issue.” - You.
If you deny you said that, then you also deny you said that about 2S38, since they’re similar in lethality.
No, 2S38 is 9.3 with APCBC & proxy fuse rounds only. Killing helicopters out to 5km with a proximity round is what I do with M1A2 & VEAK, what’s your point?
Removal of the proxy round would not impact the BR of the vehicle at all, it’s 10.0 because of its anti-tank capabilities.
I get that 2S38 is your, and two others’, favorite tank ever made, but it’s not as good as you’re portraying.
Yet you never drove HSTL-V in battle, just gloriously kill those poor guys in test drive who does not move nor shoot back, therefore you are theory crafting.
Interestingly nobody seems to agree with your assumptions. Frankly who would agree Thermals does not matter just learn map and such?
You want civilized discussion ? Start with yourself.
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I’ve faced HSTV-Ls just as everyone else.
Good thing I’m civilized.
hstvl is cancer like t80s. completely broken armor and damage reception
You said 40 then 30. 40-30=10.
I didn’t say this.
You are contradicting yourself now as you just said the Abrams turret ring is = to all BVM weapspots. The Abrams has more weapspots than just the turret ring.
Against early jets with no RWR, I agree. Against anyone who actually paying attention to the game and doesn’t just fly in a straight line, then I disagree as the impact time is over 5 seconds apart from firing.
You yourself said that the antiair performance of the 2s38 doesn’t affect its BR, so another contradiction. I also completely disagree that a HEVT round with hardly over 4km effective range is the equivalent of early SAM systems with 6-8km range.
Another point, the 12 darts the OTOMATIC carries doesn’t justify it’s 11.3 BR placement. As otherwise gepards and the like would need to go up significantly since they have APDS rounds.
Here you are pushing your logic onto others, again.
I also noticed you didn’t explain why you brought up a British round seemingly out of nowhere or explain why the proxy round increasing the BR of the WZ305 is justified but the proxy round on par with that of a 11.3 vehicle and a soft lock wouldn’t justify increasing the BR of the 2s38 when it also has antitank abilities on par with the HSTVL if not then a BR bracket or two lower.
It actually has 24, the HSTVL has 26. Though all the numbers are practically the same in practice and his point still stands. Plus he didn’t say that. Stop pushing your logic onto others.
It’s proximity rounds with the APCBC is 9.7 worthy as it would have better AA capability than the Ozelot.
Just like everyone else has faced the 2s38.
I used his rationale against him. You should realize that wasn’t “my logic”.
And I’ve memed on every 2S38 cause the vehicle isn’t as good as people think it is. Partly cause I trained my ears to hear R3T20s and USH vehicles.
You being able to hear the vehicle has nothing to do with the vehicle and it’s characteristics relative to it’s BR and other vehicles in the TT.
Just because you can one shot a vehicle doesn’t mean it’s bad lol.
I agree with that statement.
It has this and it’s the most accurate outta any projectile guide for anti air. It has beyond insane reload outside of it’s first stage ammo.
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Also for all those complaining about the HSTV-L at least it sits at 11.3 not 10.0
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Please tell us what you mean with Silent lock?
for me it’s no transmissions to enemy plane so that leaves out:
- Stormer, Beam riding so laser beam towards the target;
- ZA-35 has radar so not silent;
- Chinese SPAA also have radar so not silent;
- Otomatic has search and tracking radar so not silent;
- all Roland have search and tracking radar so not silent;
- LVKV has search radar so not silent;
- 701 is beam riding missile so not silent;
so vehicles can work with radar turned of but that leaves you blind to their approach.
and if manually guiding the missile or guns on target, that in my opinion is also not a “lock”.
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What he said isnt wrong, all of those can lock with their irst, just turn off the radar and you would be able to “silent lock” with the irst, and laser beam doesn’t trigger warnings on planes as i dont think we have any plane with a lwr, only the f111a would get any kind of warning as it has a maw.
you can lock them with the radar turn off if you have a track irst
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All use IRST to lock, no radars, so all are silent.
Beam riding is silent.
Next time research before posting.