In 13.0 vehicles have AMRAAMs (most do) or have very good SARH missiles. These vehicles do very well in down tiers and can dominate matches easily. On the other hand if they get uptiered to 14.0 they become completely useless and get dominated. The same can be said for the br’s between (and including) 13.0 and 12.0, vehicles which have no good radar missiles can’t fight ones that do head on, they have to hope they are lucky and can get behind enemies. This is seen in the premium French Mirage, the magic two missiles are not very good from the front and well… its radar missiles aren’t great (terrible). When compaired to something like the f-18c Early and the aim-7p the mirage is outclassed in every aspect except for the magic 2’s irccm (which hardly works). It is the very fact that the f-18 is only 0.7 br higher than it when it can dogfight better, has better missiles, has a better gun, and wont break its wings off as easily that makes 13.0 to 12.0 a horrible experience for anything that isn’t a su-33 or f-18. I almost never see a full downtier when playing the mirage and instead get walked on by vehicles with radar missiles that are hard to avoid considering almost every map in game is completely flat. Hopefully this is decompressed and allows vehicles that lack the ability to even try and face vehicles from 1.0 br above them to be able to thrive or even just survive.
And btw thats why im bombing, the mirage is useless for ata at this point in time. I remember when it was considered one of the best premiums in game, those days are LONG gone.
lol no, ARHs are reserved for platforms like F-4F ICE, Tornado F.3, Kfir C10, JA37Di. ie. old airframes. F-4F ICE is an airframe first found at 11.0 etc. They are propped up by their missile kit.
Mirage also has CM count rivaling that of some top tier planes, assuming youre running Phimat pod, which you should.
so…not difficult to fly under the multipath alt?
You are making F1C-200 already bad FM even worse with bombs, in self fulfiling prophecy kind of way.
That’s the problem for most of the BR range mister.
Oh hey, my takes.
Thanks for making my points for me. :)
13.0 needs decompressed. The fact F-14B and F-15A are the same BR is hilariously bad.
No its harder to multipath because its not completely flat, it has slight dips up and down constantly meaning half the time you will enter a dip the very second a missile is about to hit you making it not hit the ground. Also having lots of counter measures does not make a vehicle good, take for example the swedenish f-18c (not mlu) it has the cm pods but is not a very good vehicle.
it hurts 13.0 the most
i’d take the mig 23ml over this mirage anyday, even against 13.0 the mig23ml is better.
hard to make it worse when its already terrible and completely useless as a fighter unless the enemy is blind
You don’t seem to play other BRs very often. There’s no such thing as “hurts the most”.
While you are crying about facing aim120s and derbys in your 12.0 mirage,
people flying 13.7 jets suffer from rafale, su30s and EFs,
some flying mig21s suffer from sparrows in 11.3 and R24Rs in 11.7,
mirage 3s in 10.3 cant find any countermeasures to J7D,
Arietes and mig19s have no flares against AIM 9J and aim 9L,
Lim5ps and J5s cant get anything from a smart American Running man in 9.3 and lose on tickets
7.7 is beaten to hell by mig15s and sabre As,
post-war props are being chased by a million su9s and su11s infinitely,
Victory wings fighting enemies that they are never designed for.
It’s the problem of constant uptiers and BR compression, and all the BRs suffer the same, unless you play 14.3, or just leave when an uptier comes.
if map has dips up and down, large enough so you have to account for them in your flight path, then the map isnt flat, no?
well not neccesarily but possiblity of having almost 200 flares and 200 chaff at BR where most planes have 60x CMs total and most also lack IRCCM missiles is objective advantage.
thats matter of personal preference
mirages also seem to perform better on global average.
I mean if you take the heaviest bombs aviable, thats additonal 2.6t of weight. that is gonna be noticable even if the base FM is already bad.
I dont find it that bad. Sure it cant outturn MiG-23 but can outrun it (thats where the extra CMs come into play).
I was just recently playing the j-10a and yes that thing pretty much is terrible at 13.7, the difference is the fact that radar missiles are a complete counter to the mirage. With 13.7 vehicles you either are very fast or can turn very well or have good weapons, so you can avoid the enemies. However you cant at 13.0 or 12.0. Every br above 7.7 to top tier for both air and ground are terrible right now but the SARH and AMRAAM jump is insanity.
I mean flat as in they have no mountains or cover from missiles not a minecraft world so stop being annoying
The magics are worthless, you have to be behind a enemy for them to be useful and then you get dogpiled by enemies and never even get a kill
yea but that is throughout all time, the mirage used to be amazing but the new premiums dominate them with ease. Also the mig23 is played more than the mirage which is a good factor as to why it has a lower kd. Noobs buy it more and do less with it.
Look at this picture, im not the only person that struggles with this plane, almost everyone playing it is taking bombs because ata its worthless
I do not know why you think J10a is terrible. It’s very nimble for continuous counter-attacks.
Do you know how to properly notch radar missiles? If you cant do it on J10 properly then you cant do it on mirage.
You only played rank 7 and rank 8 often, so you cant feel what’s like when both of you and your enemies have guns, while you cant catch him cuz you are in a prop and he’s in a jet.
OR the time you see a AIM9L launched on your right and you have 0 flares against it.
Mirage F1C does get a lot of countermeasures, so you can defend youself, Much better than mirage CS4. But when you dont have these… good luck!
Oh btw I did once played mirageF1C to help me get to tier 8, so i dont make things up.
the j-10c is a ok vehicle but there is no point to notch because there is no point in going high, you’ll get destroyed by a f-14 or eurofighter because the pl-12 has terrible range.
thats kinda my main schtick.
Why exactly did we went from CMs to Magics?
well no, that was monthly data which i posted.
HOWEVER
it was monthly data for february, ie. before the addition of Hornets, so it wasnt accurate to the argument at hand.
Heres the global data for september 2025
funnily enough even the premium F1, ie. the one that should have worst stats due to being aviable to even new players, is doing better than US and GER premium hornets and its only slightly lagging behind the CAN one.
while yes, premium mirage is played less than premium mig23, premium mirage has only slightly less games than US premium hornet, and more than both german and UK premium hornets together.
Also, for the previous month, ie. august 2025, there were only slightly less games in premium mirage than in premium mig23
but i digress.
Mirage F1C200 isnt as hopeless as you make it out to be.
high number of new players playing the most played tech trees in game=lower k/ds. Look at the british one, its basically the same as the others but does better. Why? Because its a tech tree not a ton of new players play. On average a good player can get at least 2 or more kills every game in the f-18, even i have done that.