One of banes of most IR missiles.
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I basically stopped even bothering taking ATAS on the Lynx. It was a waste of time. Even fired at 3 or 4km. Against a target that should have been a laughably easy shot. They just straight up missed.
Its hilarious just how far they went to nerf Stingers so they wouldn’t be IRL performance
also they are really like to eat the ground agaisnt lower flying targets for the same reason
too far away for gun, too gaijined to IR lock.
Let alone orion drones, cant lock them with an IRST or IRCCM unless I’m sniffing its exhaust
thats is still the same for all ir only missiles, but it could be worse, the antelope cant literally do anything agaisnt any helicopter or drones, as it has like half of the all aspect range.
At which point, why is the Gepard higher then?
Its radar and gun as far as I am (correct me if im wrong) the same as the 8.3 Gepard with no stingers
So why is the Gepard with Stingers higher? If hte guns are what are OP about it, shoudlnt the Gepard at 8.3 also be higher?
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Being able to lob missiles above obstacles is often a pretty overlooked feature.
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well the gepard keeps being better overall even if you dont take into account the missieles, specially the search radar.
Also the missile keeps being better at medium and longer ranges, and it does have the K so it has proximity fuze.
Imp Chaparral
The Iglas are fucking garbage they have no proxy fuze at all and inaccurate which makes them completely useless.
The 35mm are infinitly better than the 23mm and the Leopard 1 chassis is much better than the Shilka too. Not to mention the awful radar it has.
No. It’s peers are the Type 93, Santal, Machbet and PGZ04 (also sucks because no proxy on the missile).
The Stormer AD should be 9.3 too but that doesn’t make the Shilka good.
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Calling that ideal lead is funny. I’m sorry but the Stingers missing was your fault. You shouldn’t lead AA missiles at all at that range.
Here’s a few videos of the Stinger without the proxy fuze hitting the heli directly every time if shot from a correct anlge:
Spoiler
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Machbet is much worse tho. No search radar + bad gun
My brother in christ i agree with the sentiment that stingers are nerfed, but why in the name of all that is sacred did you lead those missiles so darn much lol. At that ranged you should lead a third of that
I think it’s telling that everyone here has missed the actual overtiered hybrid SPAA in this bracket, the SIDAM 25 (Mistral).
It has no search RADAR of any kind, inconsistent optical tracking that’s easily spoofed by trees and clouds (even if they don’t render on your screen), similarly poor range on the main guns to the Shilka, a generally worse chassis, and it’s at a higher BR than almost all other hybrid SPAAs.
The only things it has going for it is a tiny belt of APDS that’s substantailly worse than 35mm APDS, something you’ll almost never use because the chassis is completely unsuitable for tank hunting, and marginally better missiles that still miss any incoming CAS smart enough to evade IR missiles. And a laser rangefinder, I guess.
The fact that it shares a BR with the Gepard 1A2 is laughable.
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The Mistral is a better missile than the Stinger.
I personally prefer it over the shilka or the gepard
Yes, but not by enough to matter. Both are easily dodged by anyone with a working brainstem. A simple barrel roll, even on a fully loaded attacker, is enough to spoof them. They also refuse to track helicopters at medium-longer ranges.
Basically, anything that a Mistral can do, a Stinger likely can as well. On a better chassis with better guns at the same BR.
even then they still do a much better job against maneuvering target and it has a relatevely large proximity fuze so the are actually noticiable harder to doge, the only thing about the missile is that you need to let people get closer as they lack the range of the stingers.
that is the same for all ir guided missiels
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The Mistral has a bigger warhead and 4m proxy fuze. The Stinger has 1m and the Igla has 0m. You have no idea easy it is to dodge an Igla even when they don’t even know they’re being shot at.
Sure the Mistral can be dodged but so can the the Strela (although harder than the Mistral) . The fact that people have to know they’re shot at makes them different to other MANPADS.
Also APDS is a huge deal when you compare it to the pathetic guns of the Stormer AD or Shilka.
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Also contrast seekers for some reason.
pretty sure that the mistral is ir only