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You could in theory replace it with T-33A Shooting Star, trainer version of P-80/F-80 with two machine guns and only two hardpoints
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+1 delicious i want J-22 oreo
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That’s actually a great idea, I’ll consider it.
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MiG-29 of the Serbian Air Force after 2010 without the MiG-29 UB …
- 3 pieces of 9-12B…judging by this photo(2014), they have been upgraded to version 9-12SD… Mig29cockpit_modernized | Modernized cockpit of the Serbian … | Flickr
- Russia transferred in 2017 (introduced into the Serbian Air Force after repairs in 2018) four MiG-29 fighters from the presence of the Russian Ministry of Defense (three types 9-13 and one type 9-12A) …
They are 9-13 starting from about 2020/21 they were upgraded to the level of 9-13SM…but at that time there was no official confirmation of the name, although there were photos… «Узнаваемый стандартный радар для истребителей ВВС РФ»: опубликованы первые изображения сербского МиГ-29SM (topwar.ru) - Belarus in 2019 transferred 4 pieces of 9-13 (introduced into the Serbian Air Force after repair and modernization in 2021)…modernization took place at 558 ARZ (Baranovichi.Bellorussia)- therefore, it is possible MiG-29BM / BM+… Церемония принятия в состав ВВС Сербии четырех истребителей МиГ-29 полученных из Белоруссии (livejournal.com)
9-12A was also upgraded to 9-12SD_L-150 Pastel …
9-12SD(former 9-12B) the same with L-150 Pastel …
Belarusian MiG-29BM…NO L-150 Pastel…
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Fair enough, but I believe that EVERYTHING should be included. We’re already well past the time of performance vs time, so putting a new plane at a low BR isn’t out of place anymore.
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Awesome, I didn’t know about the Serbian Fulcrums that were upgraded to the MiG-29SD standard. When we get Fox-3s in the near future, it would be good to add the SD as the “slightly better MiG-29” (R-73s, series 2 engine, Pastel RWR) while the SM gets R-77s and stays as far up as possible with all the bells and whistles.
For Ikarus S-451 it seems that either there were 2 build or the plane got a modified canopy and tail section (Could be just the angle of photos though). It is shown on photos that it had machine gun on the side but I am unsure if there was anything mounted below the cockpit like on Ikarus S-451M
I think the sources are conflicting on whether the S-451 got a second prototype, and the existence of the Ikarus 232 Pionir which looks very similar doesn’t help things.
As for weapons, the spec sheet for it on the Air Force’s magazine mentions a 20mm cannon and 6 underwing rockets.
There were definitely changes to cockpit and there are photos of Pionir 232 which is quite different unless that is not Pionir
You can see the difference. So perhaps designation S-451 II was just modernisation. as per Armament it could be that machine gun in the side is actually 20 mm cannon.
Pionir is said to be this plane:
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Yep, the rounded vs sharp cockpit is a clear difference betwen the S-451 prototypes, and what I can find confirms that 2 were built. It’s just that the S-451 with the rounded cockpit and the Pionir are remarkably similar, and telling them apart is hard.
Made the first small update to the air tree in the OP: a few more images have been added, the Serbian MiG-29SM has been moved to 12.7, and a number of unique aircraft (all domestic jet attackers, the Gnat and the Sabre Dog) have been given fake in-game loadout charts in the interactive version linked above. Here’s an example from the most advanced attacker in the tree, the Orao M1A:
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+1, Yugoslavia would be a welcome addition to WT and it’s a nation I’ve wanted to see in game for years
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+1, thank you for recreating this topic on the new forum, probably the most viable next inependant tech tree that could be addded to the game !
And also the new thing I want the most in game since years !
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Why do we have two posts for the Yugoslav air tree??
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The one you posted is a post in machinery of war, it is nit a suggestion, just a showcase.
This right here is the “official” suggestion :)
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maybe i didnt see it, but i think there should be a j20 kraguj in there. the SOKO novi avion would also be a nice touch
Thank you for your suggestions, but keeping both of these aircraft out of the tree was a conscious choice.
As for the J-20 Kraguj, it’s a cool looking counter-insurgency aircraft but it’s just too bad for War Thunder. Compare it with the Hs 123 A-1, Germany’s 1.0 biplane bomber: the J-20 has roughly equal MGs, is a bit slower, with an engine that has half the horsepower, and 200kg of bombs instead of 450kg. With current WT balancing, it belongs at around 0.7.
The Novi Avion wasn’t added on the grounds of being a paper plane, as AFAIK the only parts to ever be built were some cockpit sections and even those were mockup.
I made the suggestion first. So considering that the Yugoslav Air Tree was passed to the devs a few years back, it surprises me that the mods approved of this one which also seems to have lesser planes.
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