The results were mixed but I actually never used it before in ground battles, so I had to get used to aiming a bit.
With 300m target distance the shots generally land above target, with 0m distance they drop low but that can be good since you don’t need to nose down that much. I used the latter for the last battle, where I got 11 ground kills in two sorties.
I just tested 500m, which seems to give pretty good results for accuracy when using third person aiming, so I will be trying that now.
The whole conversation was about how bombs are more easy to use than the NS-45.
It took me 2-5 shots to kill a ground target.
With 1 hit killing a tank 50% of the time.
If it wasn’t for planes and SPAA, you can easily get 5 kills per sortie.
If you’re uncontested, like in that one match where I got 11 ground kills and a plane kill, so 6 kills per sortie, you can wreck up more kills than you could with just bombs.
At least for a 5.0 plane.
The main difference is that you have to linger over the battlefield for longer, since it’s quicker to drop 3 bombs than spending 29 45mm rounds.
At least when you want to be efficient with the ammunition.
You won’t get 10 kills every match with bombs either, or every match you would see someone wrecking up an unholy amount of kills just with CAS alone.
Okay, that`s on me then. I had this 140 number in encyclopedia i own, so that must be a IL-2 version, wing mounted. Book didnt specify that
yes, but it hardly takes a single shot for it. It may be possible for a light machinery tho.
so basically thou did about 1 ground kill per match? Now thats funny.
I actually played yesterday at 5.7 and met many of them yaks, and mostly they did about two kills before death. Some three. Its good that its that popular, you meet them every game.
Its no doubt its strong as CAS plane but i easilly did same 2-3 kills with my Thunderbolt. So i dont see why should it be moved anyway
It did, at least there is information regardless it.
thats not viable as there was literal one game with many kills. I dont know how it is called in english, but when we had a course of statistics, it was called “Outlier” (eng. Выброс), meaning the measurement that has a huge uniquiness within statistics, and by some os methods should not be counted. The mode of your matches was 1 ground kill, and the median was also a single ground kill.
ah so thats really how its called.
it sure will grow when you get used to it, but i dont see that it would grow more than to 3 ground kills per match
i use 600m for all my cannons, dont get why you need less than that
A sample size of 5 games also isn’t high enough to come to any conclusion.
But being able to get 12 kills in a single match with a plane will say something about its capabilities.
It just changes how the third person reticle is displayed.
If you fire from cockpit view it doesn’t actually change anything for center mounted guns, unless you also activate vertical targeting.
I did quite well with 300m in ARB but it’s not ideal for ground targets because the parallax will have the rounds hit way higher.
With 0m it’s projected at infinity, I think, so the reticle will show where the shell is headed but it will drop low due to the ballistic drop.
On the Ju 87 or Hs 129 I would generally use cockpit view as it gives you the most accuracy.
But the reflex sight in the Yak-9K is so fat that you can’t properly see your target, so I ended up firing from third person.
It fights super props that dance around it and the gun isn’t great for targeting planes.
Against ground targets you have a slower RoF and it takes a lot longer to make passes on enemies.
You can take an Arado with a bomb sight and drop three accurate 500kg bombs and then RTB as going after planes in the Me 262 is basically a waste of time, unless it’s a bomber.
6.7 will have a lot of armored vehicles that the 50mm can’t pen reliably unless you go for top down approach but you also have very bad climb rate.
The Yak-9K went from 4.0 to 5.0 because of its ground killing ability.
The Me 262 went from 6.7 to 6.3 because it’s so bad for air combat.
Now, if the question is, why is the Me 262 at 6.7 and the Yak-9K only 5.0?
It’s probably because the Me 262 always had a high BR and thus it’s ground killing power was always decent, while it’s air killing power was always quite poor.
While the Yak-9K slowly went up because it’s ground killing power was completely broken compared to its ability to also shoot down planes.
I literally got more air kills than ground kills in the first four matches.
If there’s a fighter up then any CAS plane would struggle to get more than one ground kill, before getting chased down.
So?
the same FIGHTER modification takes at least 7.0, and the attacker version is 7.3 (both with 2 bombs or 6 cannons) as i remember.
So then, same flight model jet with higher AT possibilities sits lower than useless against ground jet version.
and again, Shwalbe flies like GOAT at 6.7, making it easiy to outrun any plane, and has a 50mm cannon with closely same abilities as this 45. Yes, its a bit harder to use as it cant “drop” as low. But then its easier to escape enemies with it.
keeping the accuracy in mind, you still cant do more than 3 effective shots per attack both with Yak and 262. But thats not the point, as Shwalbe can and does make ground suffer as much. But it sits LOWER at GRB than its fighter variant, and YAK sits WAY higher already than its fighter variant.
And? The Yak-9T is 4.0, just how the Yak-9K used to be before it can a massive buff to it’s ground killing ability.
The Schwalbe is 6.7 because it trades any reasonable AA ability for a cannon that works against bombers and tanks.
If the MK 108 suddendly had APHE with 50mm pen, they would see a massive increase in ground BR as well, because now they are able to kill both ground and air targets.
I honestly don’t see what you are trying to argue about here.
Yes, and thats a reasonable battle rating. As 5.0 is reasonable for Yak-9K which is practically same 9T with better ammunition.
i dont want to imply that 50mm is as effective against air as the 30mm cannons. But if it WAS a fair trade, then why is it lower? ESPECIALLY lower in a GROUND game mode where it has better CAS abilities than 30mm cannons-one?
I just want to point out that cry about Yak is exaggerated massively. Same time when Shwalbe doing practically the same with USSR and US teams and sits somehow lower than 2x250 sturmwogel, the YAK sits way higher than its fighter variant, and way higher than 9T. Thus i dont understand what do you want from it being already better balanced then the Shwalbe
I just did though ) x>y
Such a good plane but doesn’t give any advantage in statistics. Or in reality)
This discussion is 100% of what 2s38 br discussion is
