Funny thing is, somehow all the USA/German/Japanese 37mm/50mm/75mm seem to do way less damage and bounce 100x more often than these mystical USSR 37mm/45mm rounds.
Dont get me wrong, I love using the Yak-9T/K in ground battles. But its pretty glaringly obvious that the NS-37 and NS-45 outperform every other nations AP-T/APHE rounds to an unusual degree.
Im not even saying to get rid of the rounds, but at the very least allow the other nations big rounds to dish out similar amounts of damage.
Its pretty silly a 45mm APHE shell fired out of a wooden prop plane can somehow be more effective than:
HS 129 B-3 - 75mm APHE 740m/s
ME 410 A-1/U4 - 50mm APHE 835m/s
ME 262 A-1/U4 - 50mm APHE 835m/s
PBJ-1H - 75mm AP-T(APHE) 618m/s
Ki-102 - 57mm Practice 500m/s
Ki-108 - 37mm Practice 710m/s
Ki-109 - 75mm APHE 719m/s
P.108A Series 2 - 102mm AP-T(APHE) 750m/s
Now im not saying these should be some sort of wonder weapon, but why are they actually useless when compared to the NS-45 APHE??
Aside from what the others have just said, a vehicle qualifies for addition into WT if at least one part exclusive to it was built, so the Maus qualifies for addition twice over.
It’s like arguing that the hull was built and tested and the turret with the gun was built and tested but they never put the two together therefore maus is ahistorical and should not be in game. Like what? The entirety of the tank was built just not put together and that somehow makes it not exist?
The second best AT gun is the German 50mm but it has like a third the RoF of the NS-45 and is mounted to a slow, heavy twin engined fighter that doesn’t climb well.
Only the 50mm on the Me 262 is somewhat similar, with boosted RoF. But it still has less performance as a fighter, nor does it get energy back quickly.
Well, so technically it’s both the gun and the airframe that make it so effective in the game.
And it most likely never had the NS-45 but the experimental N-45.
The NS-45 was a failure on the Yak-9K and if the NS-45 was mounted, than it could also have used the NS-37, since it only required to swap the barrel to go from the NS-37 to the NS-45.
If that’s the case, I have a long list of vehicles I’d like.
I’d also say, then people need to stop complaining about the SovetSky. It had a hull and deck before it was dismantled for t34s
Highly questionable, Soyuz continues to be using KCA slabs of 40+cm belt armor when the Soviet union was physically incapable of producing monolithic slabs of KCA in thicknesses above 23cm. It’s the furthest from a realistic ship we have in the game so far, even including stuff like barely produced battlecruisers from other nations.
Dude the Soviet Union had X amount of issues as did any other nation. Every nation overcomes one way or another. To say they didn’t have the means is just strange.
Now if you said a 3rd world village was developing a nuclear tank… then I’d question its accuracy.
But @Herojure24 literally said you only need one part, by that metric, there are literal thousands of vehicles in each nation that could be added.
Pretty sure this is a Air thread. Bringing a borderline dead mode , on heavy life support to cope is insane.
You can’t apply Naval rule to literally any other mode because of how different building a ship is comparing to tank a plane. You thought Gaijin not giving two fig about prop low rank/br balancing is bad enough ? Yeah bro naval is right there. The rule are not the same, while I agree that nerfing the Soyuz for healthier Naval match,so I can touch stuff above 7.3 without being hard R but it is what it is. That seem extremly unlikely cause it is Naval.
And this thread about the Yak-9K could go on forever and nothing will be done about it. I suggest just cope with it tbh, this is clearly something Gaijin is just not giving a sh1t
Those are Gaijin’s rules for air and ground. One part unique to the vehicle. For example, the Coelian was removed because the hull is not unique to it (Panther D in reality, Panther G in game), the guns are also not unique to the vehicle, and the turret (which would be unique) was never built in metal.
For naval however the standards are even more relaxed. As such it’s absolutely normal for the Soyuz to be in the game, and I expect we’ll see full on paper BBs eventually too. The issue a lot of people have with the Soyuz is how it’s modelled i.e. they think Gaijin’s interpretation of its performance is too generous. That is a somewhat subjective debate, like every single time that one debates an incomplete or speculative vehicle (just look how much people argue about the modelling of extremely common vehicles like T-34s or Tigers).
That’s why Gaijin chose that criterion. Gives them a free hand.
There is a significant difference between “X nation ran out of money or switched priorities to smaller ships” and “X nation was physically incapable of producing the required parts”.
Yak-9K and UT with the 45mm are still incredibly stupid and really deserve to be hit with the sledgehammer. Same with Soyuz, except the hammer will have historical accuracy taped to it. There is a ton of Soviet/Russian stuff that is overperforming significantly and claiming “no you cant complain anymore” is foolish.
Then you need to prove it didn’t mount the NS-47. But heres the thing bud. Until gaijin gives any care about their game here this stuff will stay in. Was the change to 45s needed? Hell no. Is there more people loving it than complaining about it, yeah thats true, and knowing gaijins bug department, even if you proved it didn’t have the shell they will promptly ignore the report.
Just like how the WZ305s proxy shell IRL was a complete failure and didnt work yet has double its effective proxy in game than it did IRL and when people bug reported it with proof it was too large of HE and splash it was promptly ignored. Gaijin at this point would rather sell stuff that appeals to players than follow any sense of realism
SovetSky isn’t even op. It’s pretty well balanced ngl.
Yak-9k doesn’t need a sledgehammer either.
Another paper vehicle is the E100
Also you under estimate the human race to adapt and overcome merely due to them being Russian…
The ship was already being build so clearly they had the means.
My dude there is literally pictures of the E100 hull that was made by the germans. You saying a hull is not enough for a vehicle to be added? I will admit the turret is wrong but the E100 got way further than just a paper design.
There a hull but where the turret ? That the problem. Maus was fully built as a prototype.
E-100 wasn’t. And the current one we have in game is 100% fake. That hull wasn’t made for that turret and it wasn’t meant to carry that much weight anyway. It is , in a sense, in the same category as the Tiger 105 ( which the gun can’t even fit in the turret) also the Panther II ,for obvious reason.
