The Yak-9K is the new Horten and should get the same treatment…
(crippled flight model and cannon accuracy)
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Actually, I’ve found the M2 on any American craft literally requires 1 hit and boom, fire, they burn down and it’s free kills.
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Yeah, poor Horten. From very good to trash in less of one week. Meanwhile the Yak-9 several months for only 0.3 bump.
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This I definitely appreciate, I am mediocre pilot and have recently discovered that the F8F-1 is a remarkable plane to fly and it’s performance is very forgiving when I make mistakes (which is often). I don’t have a great vocabulary for discussing the strengths/weaknesses of planes and how they perform however, planes like the F8F-1 (BR4.7), The Yaks and Japanese planes give me the distinct impression while flying that ‘the plane’ is doing all the work, I’m just pointing the nose at the enemy.
I just want to make sure I understand what you mean by skill floor. From what I understand you’re suggesting that vehicles should be balanced around players results once they’ve achieved a minimum level of competency in a vehicle. This reminds of the quote about Judging a fish by it’s ability to climb a tree. I would wholeheartedly agree with you if war thunder as a game made even the minimum effort to instruct its players on how to use the vehicles but it doesn’t.
You mention US planes being under tiered because the average player insists on trying to use them as turn fighters, resulting in more nuanced players being able to dominate owing to the fact that the true strength of the vehicle has not been accounted for in its Battle Rating.
I stand by my original comment about balancing around the ‘average player’, what you describe as the misuse of specific vehicles, I describe as the misuse of all vehicles. To me, the players who are turn fighting in US planes are turn fighting in everything some planes work other planes don’t and BR rises and falls based on the ignorance of the playerbase.
I don’t like it anymore than you do but consider how we would implement the skill floor. Assume that there is a cut-off for player stats when considering battle rating. I.e. player stats don’t start being considered until the plane is fully spaded, the player stats don’t start being considered until the player has achieved a minimum number of kills etc. We would limely end up in a situation where large portions of the aircraft become unplayable for most people. War Thunder is not a very accessible game, so I feel like balancing around the average skill of players is a necessary concession for the game.
I do this but the vast majority of players won’t. 4.7 is still very early game, most players interested in tanks won’t have any competitive planes or be any good at flying them.
The Yak-9K overperforms in the hands of an average player. Go and play 5 matches of 4-5.0 against the soviets and see for yourself.
Yes it does, it’s why I put forward the case that It could be raised as high at BR6.3 in ground battles.
Sorry, I might have missed what you said, the thread kind of got derailed by the “German tanks should burst into flames for historical accuracy” guy
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5.0 Italy, guess what plane makes a star appearance in every match
I just saw a level 12 player get 4 kills in the Yak-9K
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It is really not hard, especially against targets below 6.0
i just had a 5.3 full down tier match against soviets and the enemy team spawned ~15 planes and at least 6 being yak-9k destroying my team
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Visibility (rotating periscopes), crew survivability (hatch design, ammo on the floor with wet stowage which helped vs shrapnel) mobility, gun handling, ergonomics. M4 was a complete package. Of course certain aspects are basically overblown, but it was a mass produced tank that did not cut costs. The ability to easily replace transmission was also a nice feature.
Stabiliser was not used by some crews, but we’re not discussing low IQ people in the army. It allowed for faster aiming. Anyway, with very tough turret it was generally well protected. So IMO it’s not as good as peoole think, but when your competition is Panther and T-34-85, it’s not that hard to win.
Anyway, Yak-9K is a menace. But F6F with 3 big bomb drops are not easy to deal with too. I mean, 2000lbs + 2x500lbs (or 3x1000lbs, if somebody thinks 500lbs is too hard to aim, lol) can easily take out 3-4 tanks and then you have 31 pen MGs and all that at 3.3 BR and you need 1 ground kill to spawn it. Even stupid SB2C is super deadly (500lbs bombs do the job just fine and it has 4 drops, or 509kg magnetic mine with a force of 1000kg bomb and 2 500lbs bombs, also works) and has bombsight as a bonus. So CAS is busted overal. 1 kill and if you know the basics of bombing, you score 3 kills easily and then can stragfe SPAAs and German tanks around 3.0-4.0 BR to your heart’s content.
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Just giving an example for the people who come in here saying its experienced players who are doing well in it, so it doesn’t need to go up.
As i sayed, debatle but overall yes.
Hatches are also a thin, the loader for a long time didnt have one and the hull hatches were rather small for a certain time.
But everything is a relative competition.
Same could be sayed by Pz II Ausf.C/D/F.
Good visiblitly, with Periscope ring. Good mobility and adqeuat protection with 3 cm armor against 2 cm guns.
Was it a good choice and designe from the standpoint of the US? Certainly.
Sherman when introduced was superior to other medium tanks, but crew survivability outside of armor was meh.
But as war progressed it received better armor, especially on the turret, better hatches, ammo was moved and put in wet stowage. So while hull was no longer well armored by 1944 standards vs tanks, thanks to good number of Panthers on the frontline (however it was now decently armored vs Pak 40, which is a big thing) the tank overal improved enough to still be considered survivable. Supension also got improved.
But it’s hardlys surprising considering American industrial superiority. It’s rather interesting that US went with extremely basic designs in the near future, while British, French and even Soviets started exoerimenting with feature-packed vehicles. Oh how the tables have turned.
Loofah out, cause I’m going super off topic.
Back on topic - Yak-9K is also greatly enhancing the effects of lack of any good WW2 SPAA after Wirbel, Ostwin II is kinda OK, but in reality, it is a shorter-ranged a bit faster firing cousin of M42, so nothing special, actually as an SPAA it’s less effective than double 25mm milk truck, because 25mm HE absolutely wrecks the plane in 1 hit anyway, and 37mm M-geschoss scores “hits” just as often as 25mm, except it has worse ballistics, but hopefully not by much.
If Germany got some decent SPAA in-between Wirbel and Ostwind II, or if Ostwind II went down in BR, it would also help. Wirbel is decent but it really lacks range and stopping power.
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i swear the Yak-9K could fire it but it would internally damage the engine when fired? aka if u shoot the aphe = ur plane is fucked
hense why it was never really used
But lets be honest… if u play a 4 man squad with any good CAS… its not just the Yak9K that is utterly broken. The only difference here is mostly that the Yak9K is on such a low br… its the first really powerfull CAS people encounter, so it can really shred these low exp teams apart.
Thats not the APHE but the 45mm, almost same goes for the 37mm.
But historically many vehicles had some sort of downsides. He 177 had overheating engines, german tanks where hard to repair, A13 had overheating issues… the list goes on for decates.
But do u want that in the game? Best with real repair times? :D
Same for Crew or Tank damage on jumping or driving against obstacles, or just making the gunbarrels have impact with the Environment that would seriously slow down the game… wouldnt like that tbh.
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So far as i gather, this 45mm APHE shell is the KH38MT of ww2. As in it wasn’t used and its existence itself is dubious as even the document linked way above does not contain an armor-piercing high-explosive shell.
If it did not exist, it should be removed.
If it was some experimental shell post-war, that was used with the Yak-9K then it should be moved up in br, as we have separate battleratings for ground and air for a reason.
If it never saw a Yak-9K, but was experimentally used with a different post-war aircraft, then it should be removed from ALL ww2 aircraft it is present on, in game.
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