you know what, you actually might have right, but how would we then balance yak 38? like… you are saying things like mig 21 F-13 / mig-19 should go to 9.7, but this doesnt really help as it will meant yak 38 will still face opponents far superior, as well as your listed buccanner which has no chance against it, as well as - for its own tier - op F-86F-2 which a little deserves those R-60 into its a** (but it seems to me that F-86F-2 actually could dodge them)
Unfortunately there is no valid solution currently, Many aircraft, especially top tier suffer as a direct result from compression. Heck, look at top tier GB. Apparently Gaijin considers the Phantom FGR2/FG1, Tornado Gr1 and Tornado F3 all equal in ability and the Harrier Gr7 superior to all 4. Reality is far more complicated and messy than that.
I think 9.3 is about as good as you can hope for currently. To move down at the moment would require some form of nerf, that I think you’d hate more.
I don’t deny for even a moment that its a hard jet to fly/use. But it does have clear strengths that others at its BR don’t have. I think you are just going to have to make the best of a bad situation until they finally decompress 8.7 ish and up massively. its that compression that is currently screwing over many many aircraft.
nono, what i asked is, even with decompression, would such aircraft be possible to balance?
Yeah, if it stayed put, but other things around it, like the F-104, Lightning F6, etc that are fast, can be moved up without hitting the CM/All-aspect/BVR tier, then it wouldnt have to facve those.
The higher maneuvability sub-sonics can move up, like the Harrier, can now move up because they arent dealing with super-sonics. So it will encounter them less. The lower tier AAM bracket can decompress as well. So maybe the Yak-38 would encounter more of those, whilst those that are completely outclassed dont have to.
Etc etc. Its not necessarily about balancing the Yak-38, its about clearing the way for others to move around it. It will never be possible to have game where everything is perfectly balanced. The Yak-38 will likely always have the AAM advantage, but something like the Hunter will always have the maneuvability advantage. Which is better is subjective to the player flying it. I’d quite happily sacrifice some of the turn radius on the Hunter FGA9 for 9Ds or 9Gs and get rid of the 9Es (though, I just dont click with the 30mm ADENs, no idea why)
fair.
but snail wont decompress the game to encourage you to spend money on the game and get through painful tiers quickly im afraid.
Yeah… Though we can hope. I just blame GRB
idk if that will bring much
Are we ever going to see Gaijin balance 30G missiles around the 9.X region properly? The yak 38 at 9.3 with 4 R-60s on an airframe that just barely tops out below mach is still insane. It doesn’t matter if it turns poorly because the moment it gets a missile lock on anything that doesn’t have flares, being almost everything it faces, whatever it’s shooting at is done. It’s in no way fair and the enjoyment of playing one plane should not come at the cost of the entire matchmaker around it.
Sabres should not be fighting 30G missiles. G91s should not, the Venom should not, hell even MiG-19s and early MiG-21s shouldn’t. Yak 38s shouldn’t have received R-60s at such a low BR in the first place, let alone four of them.
You seem to have no problem playing the under-tiered F-104 though…
You have never flown the Yak-38. Kindly report back after you’ve played a few dozen games in it and compare the difficulty envelope between the two aircraft based on the current matchmaker/lobby.
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Tell me where I compared the two. The F-104A is ridiculous at 9.3, was already very strong at 9.7, and likewise for planes like the MiG-19 and J-7II. They all have cracked flight performance, the Yak 38 has cracked missiles, and none of them should be at 9.3. Ideally they wouldn’t even be 9.7.
I don’t care to grind the thing out. I don’t need to fly it to know that four R-60s at 9.3 is unfair. It doesn’t matter if its flight model is bad, because its missiles ruin anything it fights that doesn’t have flares.
Again, respectfully, play the plane before complaining how OP it is. It’s a one trick pony that preys on dumb players, that’s it.
Uh-huh.
Like others have said, issue is the faster planes ruining 9.3 BR bracket. At 9.3 the Yak-38 is actually fine. Here is why:
R60s are slow. High transsonics like MiG-19 have no issue getting away from medium-range R60 launches due to how much speed the R60 loses taking a singular turn. F-104s basically treat regular R60s as a joke. You will not be killing an aware supersonic player with them.
You will also not be killing aware subsonic players with them, because at lower altitudes subsonics can outrun R60 from 2km easily, and they have smaller heat signatures so the missile loses track if they turn into it in time. Hell, Sabres can even dodge R60M by turning engine off in headon, let alone normal R60. Lower BR subsonics are also much more nimble than the Yak, so goodbye to any chance of Yak-38 getting dead six of aware subsonic player unless he’s already in a fight with more than 1 other guy.
As @thefoxiscunning noted, it is a one trick pony that preys on newbies and bad players. The only thing it’s legitimately good at is third-partying more than one person at once, which is a very niche application.
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Neither the MiG-19 nor the F-104 should be at 9.3. The problem isn’t for those particular planes, it’s for the sabres and MiG-15s and Venoms and Mysteres and so on. Subsonics without flares that’re expected to deal with a jet with four R-60s that outspeeds them and vastly outclimbs them.
The yak 38 can run down subsonics. The yak 38 just needs to get a lock, which it can do from further out than 2km, and wait until it’s in range. If the subsonic is already engaged by someone else, they’re screwed. If they don’t look up, they’re screwed. If the subsonic is already overloaded with information from the other fifteen enemies in the match and the yak makes some attempt to stay out of sight, they aren’t spotting that Yak.
We have 16v16 teams, players are bombarded with huge amounts of information and now they also need to defend against a yak coming in from the heavens with four R-60s while they’re already occupied with multiple other players. It isn’t fair whatsoever.
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R-60s don’t belong south of 9.3, they hardly belong at 9.3. Source: Yak-38 enjoyer.
Pretty much this tbh. I’m not saying the Yak 38 is OP, I’ll admit my phrasing has been a bit hyperbole, but the point is that anything having four R-60s at 9.3 is just plain unfair. It’s like how Su-25s at 9.7 were unfair. They only had 2 missiles, same FM as the R-60 just all aspect, and you could counter them with rockets, shooting missiles at them, stuff like that, but it still wasn’t fair, ignoring the vehicles that didn’t have any suspended ordnance being SoL
I agree that they are unfair, but you are being too black and white.
What would happen if the Ariete had 4 R60s? It would be completely OP and deserve 10.0 instantly. Now, what has happened since the Yak-38’s introduction? There has always been a 9.3 one because the premium version dropped at that BR. More people complain about that vehicle than play it, because getting good missile shots is extremely hard. You cannot force an R60 shot with the Yak-38 if the enemy player is not already engaged to the point where you would stand a fair chance of being able to kill him with a regular old guns-only plane.
The better your performance the better your missile shots and the Yak-38’s ability to put nose on target just ain’t it. And that’s in downtiers. At 9.3 the R60 from the Yak-38 is actually not that OP as a weapons platform. If it were to get uptiered, it would suddenly be sitting at the BR of planes that outclass it, like the Hunter F.58 with flares and better nose authority. It can already face 10.0-10.3s that have flares that make it completely and utterly useless. The MiG-19 is far more useful in an uptier than the Yak-38 ever will be.
So until the BR gets decompressed, the Yak-38 doesn’t need to go anywhere.
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the yak is fine where it is, even if the f104 is better youre comparing it to the most busted plane in that br, it is comparable to the others 9.3.
I played it, it does its trick well enough to easily collect kills with no room to counter it in downtiers. It fits 9.3 and after decompression it should go up.
This skill issue thread should have stayed dead.
Respectfully, in 523 games you’re averaging 1 kill a game with a 1.3 kill to death ratio. I’m assuming this may be a blend of 9.7 and 9.3 matches?
My faithful controller and I are not far off at 1.4 a game / 2 kills to death. I only started playing it at 9.3.
To me, that feels like it’s the epitome of properly tiered.
The only reason you think this is because you have been conditioned by gaijin to be very unaware of how shit the game actually is nowadays. When the Yak-38/harriers were introduced they were just farming people because the matchmaker was entirely different with much more decompression than what we currently have.
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