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The top speed is pretty nice, though the reload for the dart is still pretty abysmal for 9.3, especially at 9.7.
Even with that top speed, I would rather take KPZ-70 in most cases tbh.
Valid, but you cannot underestimate the sheer speed on these things, 20 km/h more than the KPz. I wouldn’t mind if they got a reload buff and went up.
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I agree.
I think a 6.0s reload could justify it being 9.7, though it would still not have as good of a reverse speed or have access to a roof-top 20mm, unlike the KPZ-70.
Though not having any smoke grenades quite an issue, even with the mobility.
The XM-1 Chrysler could go to 9.3 considering it’s effectively a better XM803 at 9.0 (though again, without any smoke grenades).
Iirc the Chrysler is just as good as the GM, I think the KPz, XM1 C, and the XM1 GM should all be 9.7, providing the XM1s get reload buffs. Or we could just decompress the BRs so the 8.0s don’t see stuff like the XM803 or XM1 C, hydrogen bomb type scenario.
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From what I remember, the difference between the Chrysler and GM is that the GM has a slightly better transmission and perhaps slightly better armour. Though this definitely shouldn’t equate to a 0.3 BR difference.
I have both. My account was exported from Xbox to PC. I had the XM-1 Chrysler on Xbox and when I moved to PC I bought the XM-1 GM. I only bought it though because having both in a line up is super rare. The process of migrating my account from Xbox to PC was a pain though, at leas back when I did it a few years ago. I’m not sure what the process is now.
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Imma revive this post cuz its still relevant.
Would you rather take:
a tank with over 250mm LOS KE protection and over 550mm LOS CE protection, 30 hp/t, 83km/h forward 42km/h reverse speeds, height adjustable suspension, thermals, laser rangefinder and 290mm flat pen APFSDS
or
a tank with, at best, 200mm LOS KE and CE protection, 20 hp/t, 65km/h forward and 25km/h reverse speeds, thermals, laser rangefinder and 420mm flat pen APFSDS
I know which one i would pick.
They are the same BR btw.
XM-1GM is reasonable at 9.3 just because KPZ-70 is still 9.3, which is arguably its equal / slightly better.
Plus the Gal Batash, OF-40 MTCA, and Olifant Mk.2 are all still 9.3.
1A5’s DM33 with thermals, LRF, and good enough mobility makes it reasonable at 9.3.
Chrysler at 9.0 is pretty good but I’m not sure if it should go to 9.3 considering it’s worse than the XM-1GM in terms of mobility.
Literally all the OF-40 MTCA and 1A5 have over the XM1 is penetration. In every other aspect the XM1 is either equal or a lot better.
KPz-70/MBT-70/XM803 have less armor, less mobility, and an arguably worse gun. The only thing the KPz/MBT-70 have over the XM1 is the roof 20mm, which only comes in handy once in 2 years.
Olifant Mk.2 has a better gun and equal armor while having worse mobility, yes, but that armor doesnt really matter much to the XM1 anyway. In a 1v1, the XM1 would win every time.
So no, its not reasonable at 9.3. Its very much a 10.0 vehicle.
That thing has some really strange armor lol yesterday one took it to 12.3 at Red Desert, I was spawning camping them with ZTZ99, shooting the top ammunition and that thing took over 8 shots to kill at 1.2km.
Are you missing the point?
420mm of pen DM33 is much better than M735’s 295mm. You can’t understate how useful it is to have at least DM23 at 9.3, let alone DM33.
DM33 just completely wipes the most common 9.3 German / Russian adversery at 9.3, the T-72A:
And still works very well even in full uptiers:
The extra ~130mm of penetration also means a lot more spalling, which means more consistent damage / one-shots than with M735.
I would almost always sacrifice the better mobility and thermals for a dart that actually kills and lol-pens pretty much anything.
Armour is similar in usefulness. Most MBTs can just lol-pen them pretty much anywhere, and both have good enough armour against most autocannons using 30mm APFSDS / 30mm APDS / 35mm APHE.
The only real point is the mobility but even then, the MBT-70 / KPZ-70 gets worse top speed but gets much better reverse speed.
The XM-1 (GM) gets M735 with a 6.7s reload.
XM-803 and MBT-70 (both having the best reload of 7.5s for their dart), 100% agree with you.
KPZ-70’s 6.0s reload for its dart (similar quality to that of M735), no. The KPZ-70’s firepower is better.
Not really?
You can use it to track and barrel anything with safety if you are fighting over hills or if they are on reload, which comes into affect quite often if you play to your strengths.
You can sometimes even kill planes that may get too wreckless.
In a 1v1, possibly. It depends on the context. Olifant would win in a long-range engagement, but the XM would win in close-range engagements just on the merit of good turret rotation speed and mobility.
However, GRB is not always a 1v1. You would have to kill many enemies, sometimes front-aspect, sometimes multiple at once. The Olifant and its dart, thermals + ess combo, and more useable armour is more favourable.
Although the XM-1 (GM) can flank well, the dart and average reload lets it down.
What an outrageous take.
Do you really think it’s as good as the Leopard 2K or AMX-40?
Do you think it’s reasonable for it to be matched-up with the Sabra or Merkava Mk.2D?
And then good luck competing with the hyper-mobile MBTs of 10.7 / 11.0 such as the 2A4, Vickers Mk.7 and MSC, or the well-armoured, such as the T-80s and Challies.
I would probably agree with you if it had DM33, or 9.7 if it had M774, but not with M735.
Mobility alone can’t stop you from getting abused by remotely aware players, especially ones in hull-down positions. You need at least firepower too, which M735 @ 6.7s is barely enough at 9.3 to begin with.
Bro where are you aiming 😭
The DM33 is better at the very least! What an achievement!
I would never.
No they arent. MBT/KPz-70 are much easier to pen. They can be penned by 105mm APDS from 8.3, the XM-1 cant (mostly).
Fair enough.
Although true, still doesnt happen very often.
It certainly has an advantage, but if both players are able to hit their shots properly, Olifant’s chances to win suddenly become 50%.
XM1 also has thermals. XM1 also has way better mobility and reaction speeds. Olifant’s smokes do give it a considerable advantage, but the XM1 can make good use of its smoke shell to compensate for it (smoke shells are underrated). So i would give the point of effectiveness at fighting multiple enemies at once to the XM1.
Depends. Olifant’s weapots are bigger, and its way more suscpetive to CE (HEAT, HESH, the works).
They have the same reload (8.7-6.7).
Okay maybe 10.0 is a little too much.
They should both definitely be 9.7 tho.
Gee darn, absolutely not like its already whats happening when the XM1 gets downtiered to 8.0 and 8.3, right?
If it had DM33 it would straight up be 10.3 material.
Mobility can, however, get you to advantageous positions faster than the enemy, unseen by the enemy, allowing you to fire at them from places that they wouldnt expect anyone getting to without being seen by them.
M735 @ 6.7s is plenty at 9.3.
Well, 145mm pen with 29 grams of TNT PzGr 39 shot is usable but 237mm pen with 100g of TNT PzGr 39 /43 is a lot better.
Same goes for M735 compared to DM33, except with the same reload too.
So its armour only works in a full downtier against some of the weakest shells at that BR?
DM23 and M735-equivalent shells exists at 8.3, and are definitely common at 8.7.
Plus the XM-1 Chrysler’s turret armour has a gunner port and slightly larger breech to worry about.
Enough to be useful.
50% chance for the Olifant to win if the XM-1GM knows how to aim?
What about the fact that the Olifant doesn’t have to aim for weakspots, or the fact that it has Gen 2 thermals for both commander and gunner and great optics?
Yeah, one of the many benefits of having good mobility is that you can get out of quite a few bad situations if you have enough situtational awareness.
Smoke shells can’t compensate for the lack of smoke grenades, let alone ESS.
They are useful in situations where you need to obstruct enemy position’s vision as you move across open areas, but they hardly are worth using when you’re trying to run away. The fact that you need to load it and then load APFSDS again is extremely inconvenient.
Olifant’s turret composite and hull composite have decent protection against CE. What do you mean?
The only real problem with its armour is that the LFP and lower turret are not well-protected.
Yes, the dart (for the reload) is bad.
At least the KPZ-70 has a 6.0s reload to compensate for the bad dart.
Have you ever used M735? Trust me, it’s pretty abysmal past 9.0
It’s found at 8.7 with the RISE (P) and it’s good enough at that BR.
9.0 is where it starts to become apparent that it’s lacking.
9.3 is good enough for how the XM-1 (GM) plays but you cannot do a lot of things because of it.
Right, a lot of that BR range needs compression.
The T-64A shouldn’t move up to 9.7 just because its armour can stop APDS shell slingers that exist at 8.0 and 8.3 (Leopard I, Vickers Mk.3, M60 AOS, Type 74 C / STB-2, even the Turm III). T-72A gets lolpenned through the UFP by anything more than M774, which is pretty common at 9.3 and especially at 9.7. And it’s even worse with the T-64A and the XM-1s, where anything better than 3BM25 can lol-pen them anywhere.
That being said, the difference between 9.0 vehicles and the best 9.3 vehicles in general is quite large, and is probably why it’s a pain to face them at 8.3. But it would also be a pain to face 10.7s if the T-72A / T-64A / XM-1GM were 9.7 too.
I think only when those BR ranges can be decompressed is when you can reasonably have the XM-1GM and other great 9.3s / 9.0s get out of the hair of 8.3s and 8.0s. Though some 8.0s and 8.3s should definitely move down, such as the Leopard I and M60A2.
Maybe, though not having smoke grenades is a huge issue at that BR and beyond.
That’s true. Mobility can definitely help you early on, but you cannot always rely on that, especially mid-way through the game where points of interest become well-established and your presence becomes well-known.
Again, have you used it?
Yeah, if the tank shooting it is the same.
Yeah, at the most dogshit vehicles this game can offer.
Not enough to consider that thing better or as good as the XM1.
What about the fact that Olifant is slow as hell and cant get back into cover quick enough if it realizes that the XM1 has its sight on him? How about the fact that Olifant’s profile is way taller, so its harder to hide it behind hills. And if an XM1, which has an easy time hiding behind hill, spots its commander optic from behind a hill and the Olifant decides to push, it stands no chance against the XM1 due to having way slower reaction times and way worse mobility.
They can if you know how to use them.
Also, ESS is useless against thermals anyway. Not like picture fidelity is a high price to pay for being able to see through ESS.
Well good thing the XM1 has no issues running away from a sticky situation in the first place, unlike the Olifant.
Read it wrong, my bad.
Yes, the dart (for the mobility) is good.
I have, actually. Wasnt bad, against Soviet tanks it plays basically like a stock HEAT at around that BR, but with better performance against hull sides and better ballistics. Fortunately Soviet tanks dont have that much of a difference in the weakspots you can hit with it between 9.3 and 10.3.
On a dogshit vehicle, maybe. But the XM1 isnt a dogshit vehicle, so no, its not bad.
Discounting the BMPT, it wouldnt be nearly as bad as facing an XM1 in something like the Leopard 1. Facing an XM1 in something like a Leopard 1A5 is already a huge pain.
Knowing gaijin, never happening.
If you presence becomes well-known, you can use that silly mobility of yours to skidaddle into somewhere where your presence isnt known yet.
Again, yes.
That’s like saying T-72A is op should be 10.7
Well, they are both really good for 9.0 and 9.3 respectively.
Not really sure if the XM-1 GM should be seeing 10.7s, but it should definitely not be seeing 8.3s.
I don’t think any of the XM variant should be 9.7 I play the XM-1 GM its armor isn’t that good since its protection rarely bounces or stops hits mostly down tier It would protect against hits sometimes never count on it, its apfsds rounds are dog water especially for anything near 10.7 or above 9.3 but as for T-72A at the same br has superior apfsds full composite armor package for hull and turret only bad thing is its horrible reverse speed and yet I hear no one is saying it should be 9.7 or is that just me.