As the great philosopher Jagger once said, you can’t always get what you want. Besides, the double standard is very annoying. You’re fine with WW2 vehicles that time travel? Because the Pz IV H/J should otherwise be the same BR as the Tiger II P. Enjoy!
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I guess you ran out of arguments, your reply boils down to “You want get that!” and a strawman.
Would give anything to see a match with one Tiger I versus 50 T-34-76. Should be historical correct or?
Jokes beside … the HeatFS round for the PT-76B for example isn’t that much reliable …
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No, what’s actually happening is that you’re pretending not to get the subtext, so I will spell it out in full to remove this trump card.
Let’s suppose, hypothetically, that this was still 2014. You want to implement the PT-76B in War Thunder. However, you face a problem. Where to put it in game? The PT-76 was never intended to be a light tank the way WT understands it (duh), and cannot fulfill the job it did IRL, because War Thunder is not a combined arms game.
Therefore, you are faced with three choices.
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Don’t include the PT-76. Gaijin clearly dismissed this option.
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Include the PT-76, but put it at a BR where it can be competitive. After all, if a vehicle exists, it’s for players to play it, and no one will touch it if it’s uncompetitive. This means you can’t put it with its Cold War contemporaries, it would be massacred. So, WW2 it is.
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Include the PT-76 in a historical scenario of some kind, and draw players in with features other than balance, for example by going hardcore on realism/historicity. If we were recreating the Battle Of Smolensk, I as a German player would have to take Pz.38ts vs KV-1s. Excuse me for not being thrilled at the idea. On the other hand if the game includes a map that replicates that terrain, has soft-balancing like for example the ability to do what was done in Barbarossa IRL to defeat Soviet armour (German tanks working closely together with towed AT guns and their squads), I might be willing to play it because of the experience.
You don’t want option 3. In fact, you seem to be fine with time travel so long as it only pertains WW2 vehicles. Puma at 3.3 doesn’t raise your eyebrows, let alone Pz IV F2 at the same BR. So, if you don’t want historical matchmaker, and you do want performance-based matchmaker but for WW2 only, that means what you want is option 1 (don’t include the PT-76).
And this is why I can, with 100% confidence, tell you that you will not get what you want. Why? Because Gaijin introduced the PT-76 nearly ten years ago. They have long since made a decision to go past the original timeframe of the game, and are never going to roll back, delete, or segregate hundreds and hundreds of modern vehicles with an active playerbase, just because you want a WW2 game (which this game is not).
Even as early as ground forces beta, the intention was never to stop in 1945, the original end date was meant to be the Korean War.
Now tell me I’ve run out of arguments.
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I would choose Option 4, move it completely out of Range of WW2 because it has a 2 plane stabilizer, fast reload and HEATFS. Did you even look at the vehicle before making your dumb hypothetical?
As it is right now, armor is worthless, total dead weight, because all the HEATFS slingers despite being moved up are still in range of WW2 and late WW2 always suffered the most by thing, with all Pershing variants being completely worthless.
No, that’s option 3. Historical matchmaking. Which would see the PT-76 fight with other vehicles of its generation.
Which barely makes up for its other flaws, like the fact that it has 15mm of armour and zero gun depression.
5 seconds for an aced crew. M18s have 6s reload with an aced crew… nothing unusual for a light tank.
It has one of the crappiest rounds in the game for its BR, with nearly nonexistent postpen damage.
I played against it countless of times and it is blatantly obvious that it would be unplayable if it ever got up in BR. This isn’t an AML-90.
As for the dumb hypothetical, if you think it would be competitive at, say, 8.0, go play it at that BR and report the results. I eagerly await them.
Heavies in WT get the short end of the stick. This is a balance problem I would like to see fixed. But it is myopic to think that time travel is the issue. Vehicles are not created equal. Did Object 906 deserve to go up? Yes. Does PT-76 deserve to go up? No.
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Would give anything to see a match with one Tiger I versus 50 T-34-76. Should be historical correct or?
That’s not fair, they have Pz IVs and stuff too, you can’t focus on just one matchup. It should be more like “3 guys in a Pz IV and 1 in a tiger vs. 16 guys in T34’s and Shermans” TOTALLY different, lol
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I would choose Option 4, move it completely out of Range of WW2 because it has a 2 plane stabilizer, fast reload and HEATFS.
If those features are so powerful, in real actual games, then why isn’t it winning 70% of its matches, with whole teams full of PT-76B’s roflstomping the competition? At which point, the normal BR algorithm WOULD move it up until it was out of range. That would already automatically happen, as-is.
The answer is that those things obviously aren’t actually that great of assets to make up for its weaknesses, as you think they are. You’re just wrong in your guess.
Luckily we have a system that doesn’t rely on vague guesswork but measures actual real performance and effectively cannot be wrong.
Honestly what you want is basically just BR decompression.
Only to people who bother to think a little
And exactly the sort of game I used to play every week using miniatures on table tops.
Winrates are worthless as a metric for individual vehicles, most people playing this BR just want to grind to progress the tech tree.
Guy who didn’t have any argument: “Whatever, I didn’t care anyway, nobody cares, they’re just grinding through”
Lol ok
Imagine a game where Tier 1 won’t have to face German 1942 time travelling APCR. PzIIs to M4A1 BR when ?
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Far deadlier than that, and still time travelly, Hl 38C.
People really don’t understand what they’re asking for when they talk about historical matchmaking.
Enemies using APCR is a benefit to you, lol
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True. But a HEAT round that pens 100mm at early BRs is another matter, and that too would be ruled out
i agree everything that made after ww2 shouldn’t used in ww2 only mode
He’s just coping because he wants to feel invincible in his ww2 heavy tank without actually putting in any thought about the game
so no German tanks since they all shoot HEAT?