the suggestion for sim mode was just a suggestion… it doesn’t need a major thing for it or its own poll question, you’re just making helicopters the same way they are in GRB - no ATGMs for first spawn helis.
No criticism, I’ve just seen the conversations for years and misunderstandings are common.
Advocates for AB TO might not be accepting in a TO like GRB, if you understand my querying (as in they would want one too, which is equally asked for as RB).
The impact of one new mode plus Sim revision is different to other mixes I’ve mentioned.
43 percent, of 500 people. Nowhere near an accurate representation of “the playerbase”
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No poll ever will, these results are more general interest and will be taken as such.
(Got to get used to clicking the right “reply” button).
To be honest if more modes existed players would enjoy trying/playing them, but it is much more thsn that to change Gaijins current stance (when Top tier additions dry up it might be a route they take to keep players interested).
Though interestingly even GHPC will have air assets.
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Though interestingly even GHPC will have air assets.
And they’ve been criticized thoroughly for those, even though they’re very limited, almost script-only assets. Big shock, I know, but I don’t think people want to play “hide and seek” from aircraft, because most tanks simply can’t fight back at all.
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Of course GHPC is a very different beast anyway.
I don’t think you need to go into that here since discussions on the how and why are covered without derailing your poll.
I didnt mind being a “target”, thats why i continued to play and made the effort to counter the enemy wherever possible, and so invested time in aircraft since that is the game we chose to play, not the game you want to play.
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And some people do mind. There were quite a few threads on this - in fact, one of the most visited threads on the old forum was the “remove CAS” thread.
That’s why it irks me in a special way when people insist there is “no interest” in TO or that the devs will “never do it”. Are we suddenly not allowed to give feedback? Offer suggestions? Until the suggestions forum is re-opened this is the only place to do it.
If your defense of CAS in ground battles comes down to “Gaijin wants to do it this way and you can’t change their minds” you should really think hard on what that might mean for your enjoyment of this game and WT’s future.
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And some people don’t. Or am I not allowed to say?
Of course, and people can discuss it. I don’t see anyone saying you can’t. But being honest about where were are should not be a bad thing. Point being the Devs said no, so the obvious thing is to convince the Devs, yes? They don’t appear to care if someond came here looking for a different game. It is only Gaijin stopping TO from existing.
I said I did not want to derail your thread, keeping to the parameters of your topic.
I’m not defending anything so try not to project too much, please. Understanding does not mean defend.
You can tell from my profile what I think of the modern WT generation (blame the new forum for being too open that I’m here - the game still interests me in some capacity).
Think you misunderstood what I said, I’m talking about the so called Ground Battles mode in Arcade nothing else.
That’s were numerous other players also have issues with the overbearing CAS in that game mode.
This topic has been a sore point with a healthy portion of the player base since I joined the game and forums back in 2017, numerous threads were done in the old forums many many times complaining about and making suggestions to deal with the CAS issues.
Simple logic says if the issues are that well known, talked about and most ignored it’s in the company’s best interest to keep things as they are and cater to the portion of the player base that benefits Gaijin the most, basic economics.
This game is all about making money when you strip all the fluff away. Obviously what’s going on now is working for Gaijins bottom line or they would change it.
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This game is all about making money when you strip all the fluff away. Obviously what’s going on now is working for Gaijins bottom line or they would change it.
Have they considered that a TO mode, on top of the current GRB, might bring back old players frustrated with CAS?
I’m personally ok with the game as it is. I just like the realism of combined arms like it is in real life. I think it would be quite boring to not see or have any action in the sky. Yes at times I do find the CAS very frustrating, but to be honest it was way worse on me before I got a few certain ground vehicles to try to deal with them better.
I mainly play USA, and before I got the Lav-AD and ADATS life was often miserable to me trying to survive. I was noticing at that time that hardly any teammates would spawn in SPAA and helis in particular were just taking over as well as jets. But once I got my 2 favorite anti-air vehicles the game became much more interesting and fun, I could actually compete against air while fighting ground too. There are still plenty of bad times of course but I believe once you have certain vehicles you’re comfortable with, it’s better than before. I personally don’t like the XM975, because I love thermals and it doesn’t have it, so I just use the ADATS or Lav-AD because the Lav-AD I find is ok with it’s Stingers at times if you use it right. It seemed bad for a while recently but seems to be working better even more recently, actually started locking helis better since last week somehow. And used right against jets it’s pretty handy. Now Gaijin has messed up the ADATS missiles lately along with other SPAA and I’ve been very angry about that, so that’s one thing that needs to be reverted. I think they saw how some SPAA was being effective particarly against Russia so they messed with it.
Now one thing I personally wish to do but have not yet is, get top tier jets. I actually don’t have any air, and I normally only play top tier. But I do want a jet more and more lately. Just to be able to hop into one during the battle and enjoy that part of it in GRB. I don’t really want to spend $70 on a jet and was hoping for rank 7 discounts in this sale but it didn’t happen. I just want 1 jet for now and have one picked out as I don’t feel like grinding the whole air tree as of yet. So figured I’d just get 1 premium. I could hunt down those pesky KAs instead of having to wait to spot them from the ground or it being a 50/50 of who kills who first if it decides to hide behind the trees or hover over it’s heli pad and fire. And while I love ground mode, I would love to hop in the jet and be able to zip across the battlefield really fast and have a change of pace to the slow driving tanks etc, go fast for a bit and see what I could do. I love seeing the jets overhead doing their thing, of course it’s better when they’re my teammates, but nevertheless. Helis as well, as much as I hate KA spam, I actually respect the ones who know how to fly it and zip around the battlefield and actually attack instead of hovering behind the trees or mountains being lazy and free kills. I commend the ones who truly attack, it makes it interesting. Actually they’re often killed by just a tanks machine gun that way, so it is possible to deal with if they truly participate in the battle. I think there should be someway to stop them from being able to hover far away out of sight and just fire away, basically with no way to retaliate against them. Sometimes if low enough they won’t appear on the radar (ADATS). So unless we also have air up, it can get frustrating at times. But often they’re higher up and it’s not so bad. I’ve even gotten used to judging aiming pretty good just with my tank reticle and often keep firing tank shells at the helis far away and if I don’t hit them I’m very close and make them dive and move all around, disturbing their shooting. It’s effective. It just takes my attention off of ground targets and I sometimes get shot by a tank while I’m not paying attention to them.
But overall even with some of the problems with air, I like it just the way it is. I do want 1 jet myself to go with my ground vehicles to mix it up and go fast in the skies as well, and I think it would suck to not have all parts combined like it is. I think it would be boring. As much as I love ground. Just my opinion. I respect all opinions.
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BTW, for anyone who wants to play the “CAS will always be a part of Warthunder, its about combined arms, we need to instead talk about how to balance cas” bit, please tell me what your proposals are, because in the last 12 months SPAA has arguably been nerfed harder than CAS has.
CAS gets:
- Air spawn
- Infinite spawn protection and full repairs (airport)
- scouting/hit markers from other players
- extremely cheap ordnance and belts, sometimes requiring one kill or a cap for a plane
- no additional SP cost for extra ordnance, just SP cost for each type of ordnance
- 15 second burn-down/death timer where they can release ordnance and fly
- in downtiers, SPAA is often ineffective (see: helicopters at 8.0 fighting 7.0 lineups with WW2 gun AA)
So what exactly would you change? Do you have a solution or are you only saying we need to keep CAS because that’s what you want?
The questions regarding the power of CAS and the introduction of a TO mode should be seperate questions…
Keep cas.
Delete killcam, only keep the last 10meter + shell pen cam.
Make trees/bushes actually render not pop in
Kill cam doesn’t effect CAS, other than the observably rare “revenge” rage. CAS would still need to be delt with as you can now with or without one.
How often do you use a plane to perform a measley revenge spat rather than make proper use of said aircraft (cover more important areas or stop enemy CAS); depends on if you are in everything for yourself or not as I find teams attempting to team do really well.
The people who complain about revenge cas just abuse overpowered spots that can control maps then complain when they die to planes, because they only ever die to planes because the spots they are using mean that its well near impossible for any tanks to kill them
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Not necessarily. What you are sayong is what CAS is meant for and is good.
However, CAS becomes CAnSer when in AB some tanks are just unplayable (Nashorn, AML-90 and so on) and in RB where people just spawn fighters with AP belts and keep roaming in the skies, crushing any light tank / TD that’s lightly armoured.
Yes to CAS made to dislodge a heavily armoured tank camping a hulldown position, no to the CAS we have atm, bullying all the light targets.
Light targets have many advantages that make them extremely powerful right now, which is why they are meta, and the heavies of old are now much weaker than they were. Scouting, the pure mobility and the fact that gaijin seems to balance them so that their guns can frontally penetrate everything they see means that light tanks are the most prolific vehicles right now, because they are often the most versatile. i agree with what you are saying about tank destroyers and the light tanks that have poor mobility, like some of the chinese pt-76 knock-offs. Realistically you need cas to be able to deal with light tanks too to dislodge them from the flanks, because if you dont, no tank can push to clear the flanks, think about hurtgen for example, when light tanks have taken either flank, you cannot push to kill them as there are massive open fields you have to cross. This is of course also a problem with the maps. as a note i dont really play AB so i cant speak for it. The whole argument that revenge cas is bad is predicated on the idea that someone is coming for you only because you killed that person, when generally its only because they know where you are, and if they saw a target before they got to you, they would hit that instead, its not personal
You’re lucky to not play AB lol, but I “grew up” in the game by playing it so i can tell you that open tops vehicles are literally unplayable since every plane can see you.
I do agree that light tanks now are very powerful, but that’s mostly the case in high tiers. I’m a huge EBR (53) enjoyer but evrytime i play it, there’s always a Fw or Bf 109 ready to spray you with bullets. And that thing can’t even pen a tiger from the side so you can’t say that the ennemy relies on CAS to kill me. Same goes with many other lights and poorly armoured tds