Would some BR changes in the game be nice?

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I’ve been a War Thunder player for almost 5 years and maybe it’s just me, but isn’t the US tech tree a bit weird in terms of their br? I mean, it’s pretty weird that tanks like the MBT70 which is just a failed prototype tank with 0 survivability and low penetration for its br, is fighting against a t72 which has an autoloader, penetrates 440mm has great survivability and a good armour, that is to say at least the German version of the MBT70 (KPZ70) has a fairly fast autoloader that compensates for the low firepower and the non-existent armour, I know there are people who will say Why don’t you use rockets? Or heat ammunition? Well, it’s simple, the rocket is slow and fails a lot, the heat ammunition is not far behind and in that br it is rare for the vehicle that does not have ERA armor, So why is the MBT70 at 9.3 par to par with the T72? Because of its mobility? The T72 also has a very similar mobility with the only difference that it does not have a good speed of reverse, now, this does not only happen with the mbt70, another vehicle that has suffered a lot from the increases in br has been the example of the m1abrams with a 105mm cannon that again suffers from the same thing, low penetration, although this time with good reload speed and somewhat better armor.
Now, first of all, this is not a whining or a “skill issue” my stats in the game are actually pretty good and I have top tier in the USA and Russia, and almost also in Germany,that without having spent any money on the game, with this I mean that I am neither a main USA nor anything like that, I like all the nations in fact, but as I said I have top tier with Russia And the truth is, compared to the rest of the nations, Russia is a bed of roses, but this is because its br benefits the nation a lot.
Here are my proposed changes:

-T72 (9.7) Because it is the only 9.3 vehicle that does not fit in with the rest.

-Mbt70 (9.0) Essentially if you stop to think about it the TAM is much better than the mbt70 in every aspect.

-m1abrams (10.0-10.3) Need I say anything? The 105mm gun version is garbage, it’s just an M60 with better armor and mobility, plus all 9.0s can take out the first Abrams head-on with ease.

-120S (10.7) Unlike the m1abrams, the 120S, despite having an m60 chassis, has the firepower and turret of a current abrams. In fact, the 120S surpasses the m1abrams just thanks to that and is in a lower br.

-leopard1a1 (8.7) It is the same Leopard 1 of 8.0 but with APFSDS and stabilizer, it can perfectly be at the same BR as the m60 Rise.

-t55A (8.7) Do I really need to explain this? APFSDS ammo, good armor, good mobility and stabilizer at 8.3? It makes no sense at all and I have taken out more than 30 nukes thanks to the supremacy of this vehicle.

-gepard (8.7-9.0) Anti-aircraft, tank destroyer, fulfills all functions, I use it in the top tier and it kills without problems whatever is there, imagine in its BR which is 8.3,By Gepard I mean all vehicles that use the same weapons system as the Gepard.

-m247 (8.7) I know it has proximity ammunition but the M48’s chassis and its inability to eliminate tanks beyond light tanks makes this anti-aircraft gun look like a shadow compared to several of the lower br like the already mentioned gepard or the zsu.

-Vidar and pzh2000 (along with similar ones that have laser rangefinders being artillery): In this case I don’t know what BR I would put on them but I feel that their BRs are really powerful, what BR would you put on them?

-object292 (10.3) (ignore this one, I had in mind the original BR of the tank, 10.0): I don’t have to say anything, its firepower makes it penetrate everything and its highly armored chassis makes it a nightmare to find it being 9.0, that increase to 10.3 would be good for it to continue being good in 11.3,10.3 and it is a threat to be taken into account in 9.3 but it is something challenging without making it a nightmare .

That’s all!! I notice that the rest of the vehicles are in a totally balanced BR and these are the only ones that I see quite poorly balanced by gaijin!! What do you guys think?

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How to fix BRs in two simple steps (never going to happen):

  1. Increase top tier to 18.0 for air and 14.0 for ground. LERP all of the of the BRs so that they spread evenly.
  2. Fine tune the BRs as needed.
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I like your way of thinking

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but its main role is anti air, why make it go down based on it anti tank capabilities

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Because despite having proximity ammunition, its ammunition is slow and its radar is of average reliability, on the other hand having the chassis of the m48 makes it clumsy, remember that in 8.3 you have the gepard,Needless to say, being 8.3 it is capable of destroying tanks, has great mobility, a better radar and is better in all aspects, proximity ammunition is overrated,especially if you compare it to a much faster fire rate with a higher rate of fire, or look at the ZSU23, the same. In fact, I don’t know if you read everything, but I proposed putting the Gepard and the M247 in the same BR, an 8.7. Does what I said now seem more convincing to you? Remember that you have to find a balance, it’s fine for it to be an anti-aircraft weapon, but it’s not normal for an anti-aircraft weapon of even 7.7 to be better than one of 9.0,They even changed the BR of the Imp. Chaparral due to its “questionable” effectiveness in combat since not having defense against ground and on top of that a large profile with poor mobility made it a simple “anti-aircraft battery” and the truth is, its lowering of BR was a good decision.

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It also does not have tracers so the round are invisible.

It was lowered because its missile is bugged.

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that makes it less convincing

I disagree, you see people uptier the m247 more than the gepard for a reason

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MBT-70 is much more mobile than T-72A, just look at it’s HP/t value.

No, that would be KPz-70.

Placing 120S almost a whole BR above M1 is pure comedy.

It has mediocre mobility with no reverse speed, it also has bad gun handling and reload speed.
It’s dart is basically a reskin of Russian APDS so it’s nothing special.

T-55A and A1A1 sharing the same BR makes no sense.

HE-VT ammo that has no tracers doesn’t belong at 8.7, simple as.
It can also kill MBTs for your information.

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Object 292 is at 10.7.

No it’s not.

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Don’t know where to even begin with this, but just want to say that HE-VT is certainly not overrated.

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Yes and no, its on the same level as tanks like the Leo 2A4 and Challenger 1 when it comes to its role. What it actually needs is a better round to match those 2. They should give it M833

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T-55A is 8.3, he made a mistake. The AM1 and AMD are both 8.7 though, with decent armour and LRFs. While the A1A1 still has the old rangefinder, its by no means a bad tank. It excels in flanking and hit and run tactics. But with the current small CQB maps and meta it has trouble using those tactics.

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He said A1A1 should go down to 8.7.

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Really? Because if you check my account I have both and I use both in top tier, the difference between the stats doesn’t make sense,If you see someone using the M247 in high tier, have you stopped to think that maybe it’s because they haven’t unlocked other better anti-aircraft weapons like the Chaparral or the LAV AD?While people who use the Gepard in high tier often use it even as a first vehicle like an assault tank taking advantage of the mobility of the Leopard 1, the stabilizer and its APDS ammunition.

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His ammunition is not visible, his huge figure is.

Where did you get that it’s bugged? Before I had the LAV AD I used Chaparral in 11.7 without any problem, are you sure you know how to use it? Or maybe you have no idea how to use it and that’s why you say it was removed from BR because it was bugged? I’d like to know where you got the information that it was removed from BR due to a bug,Also, just in case I’ll tell you how to use it, its rockets detect heat and follow it, when they are 100% effective is when you use it against any plane Preferably when he is facing away and you can see his tail, which is the area that generates the most heat, and if he also uses an afterburner, all the better for you. It will be impossible for you to miss unless he uses flares.

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I am main EEUU and the Leopard 1A1 seems like a joke tank to me, it is just the same Leopard 8.0 with a stabilizer and APFSDs,If you stop to think about it, my comparison with the M60 RISE is not far-fetched, let’s say it’s the same as comparing the M60 8.0 and the Leopard 1 8.0, think about it, the M60 RISE has low mobility but instead it offers you stabilizer, ERA armor and APFSDS ammunition, the leopard 1a1 does not offer you ERA or acceptable armor, instead it offers you mobility and better APFSDS, both have stabilizer.

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Indeed, the only thing that the MBT70 surpasses the T72 in is “speed”, not in mobility, nor in survival, nor in firepower, only speed and a 20mm, well, you know what? The TURM III It is at 8.3 and gives you a stabilizer, a 30mm auxiliary cannon and better ammunition than the MBT70.

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So how can a pilot dodge something he doesn’t see coming ?

Gepard with it’s 18 HP/t surely isn’t fast in higher tiers.

Thinking T-55A and A1A1 deserve to sit at the same BR is also a joke.

You forgot about massively better gun handling and gun depression.

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You say that the kpz70 should not be 9.3? It is the same mbt70 but with more engine power and a faster autoloader. The t72 is a colossus, compare the shooting test of an mbt70 against a t72, The MBT70 can only penetrate the lower area of the T72, what happens if the T72 covers that area? On the other hand, the T72 destroys the MBT70 from all sides.

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They are not completely invisible, by the time the radar manages to track the plane, the plane, unless it suffers severe blindness, must have seen you.

It is.

T55:good mobility, only poor reverse speed, stabilizer on both horizontal and vertical axes, apfsds, good mobility
Leopard 1a1:good mobility in all senses, stabilizer, apfsds, stabilizer, non-existent armor.

I didn’t forget, but did you say better cannon? It has a 152mm launcher but its APFSDS if I’m not mistaken is the APFSDS that penetrates less in all 9.3, and the gun depression only affects maps with a lot of elevation, have you ever had a “depression” problem when using the t34? IS? No, right? I haven’t had any problems just go through flat areas of the map that are always there.

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I had no errors, I know that the t55A is 8.3, I said “t55A (8.7)” in reference to the fact that its BR should be 8.7