With Greece coming to Israel, what’s even the point of the Merkava if its armour stays like this?

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with greece coming to the israeli tree, i feel like the merkava is gonna lose a lot of what makes it unique.

the whole point of the mk4 is its weird protection layout. huge modular armour around the turret, sides and roof, lots of angle, deep composite arrays, all that stuff.

but in game it doesn’t really feel like you get much back for all that weight.

it’s slower and heavier than a leopard, but the frontal turret can still feel pretty average against modern apfsds.

and that’s the part i don’t really get.

with nera/slera type armour, a long rod isn’t just going through one solid block. it can get disturbed over multiple layers, start yawing, bending, eroding and possibly breaking up as it keeps going through the array.

obviously i’m not saying one nera/slera layer is the same as kontakt-5 or relikt.

heavy era is way more violent per hit.

but the merkava has a huge angled array with multiple interactions, so it feels weird seeing russian era get really strong ke and chemical protection in game while the mk4’s giant turret array still feels kinda underwhelming.

and once the greek leopards are there, it gets even more obvious.

you’ll have a tank that is faster, more mobile, has great gun handling and solid armour.

so if the merkava is slower, heavier and still doesn’t really get rewarded with better protection, why would you pick it over the leopard?

i’m not saying the merkava should be invincible or just straight up better.

i just think it should actually benefit from the thing that makes it different.

otherwise it just becomes the cooler looking, slower option while the leopard does everything else better.

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You’ll have and like it. Instead of prioritizing the improvement of the Merkava as a whole add a copy and paste sub-tech tree instead. I’ve been sharing my discontent with the tech tree proposal, and after its reveal I am disliking even more, and that’s one side of the coin, the other is the air tech tree that will be filled with non-israeli american-made airplanes with little to no modification and some french stuff. And all things considered there are people actively supporting the addition of the hellenic sub-tech tree—which, is ok—but instead of pushing Gaijin to address the issues with the israeli ground forces workhorse—Merkava.

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yeah, that’s kind of my concern too. i don’t really have an issue with greece being added, but it feels like the timing is weird when the merkavas still have so many things that could use attention.
once the leopards are in the tree, people are naturally gonna compare them, and if the merkava still ends up being the slower, heavier option without much of an armour advantage, it just makes the problem way more obvious.

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You’re one of the very, and I mean very, few.

That was the case since the Israeli tree was first added? Lmfao no way this person is real.

No correlation. if that was the case, Greece would have been added 4 years ago.

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ok

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Wrong as usual I see, some things never change. Sorry not everything can be the way you specifically want it ;)

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suuuuuuuuuuuuuure

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Yes, I’ve shared my disliking for the israeli tech tree in the past for just being on the great majority a unification of various western technology under a new name and a very few eastern examples like the Tiran, so what does Greece improves for the israeli tech tree? In my point of view just worsen the title of copy and paste tech tree that I knew Israel for in War Thunder.

If, and only if the content that Gaijin revelaed actually gave unique vehicles instead of existing vehicles with camouflage without improving the issues with the tech tree, without improving the issues with the existing vehicles and just extending the grind for no reason at all just to fill an update with actual slop as I’ve shared in previous topics on the matter, hellenic vehicles currently it’s not helping at all.

In one hand israeli tech tree is a stablished content in War Thunder, the hellenic sub-tech tree still a on going work as it’s part of the development server and not live server.

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I don’t oppose the Hellenic sub-tree outright, but I know Gaijin will see the 2A6HEL, a unique Leopard 2A6EX, spike the top-tier performance and use that as an excuse not to fix the Merkava models. It’s incredibly frustrating that APFSDS as old as 3BM15 and 3BM22 can slice straight through the Merkava Mk.3 despite documentation suggesting it is frontally immune to 3BM42 in most places.

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yeah thats pretty much what im worried about. im not even against the greek subtree, i just know gaijin will see the 2a6hel doing well and go “israel is fine now” while the merkavas keep the same busted armour modelling. kinda ridiculous when old rounds like 3bm15 and 3bm22 can still go straight through them.

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Love how people that have never play a Merkava or they just tourist suddenly care about the tank. If gaijin wanted to fix it they would have done it by now its been 4-5 years now that the Merkavas have bad armor. Israeli TT is the smallest i size and play base and has the lowest premium sale with a huge difference out of all. So its not wise for a company to invest something in something that doesn’t make any money specially when other TT make more money in one day than the Israeli TT in its entire existence (cough cough BMPT, T58, Type 90) so yea its absolutely normal for Gaijin to try to resurrect a dead TT with new interesting vehicles. You know how many new people will start playing it to get one of the Best if not the Best MBT?? Or how many people will go for the Rafale??? IF you want the Israeli TT get any love it must became profitable something that is not… Welcome to the Capitalism 101

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Love how you never have anything valid to say.
In every debate that I have seen you in that’s the case, your only response are either “nuh uh” or “copyslop” or your newest one yet being 'suuuuuuuuuuuuuure" with no research done.

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ah yes, “capitalism 101”.because bad modelling suddenly becomes fine if the tree doesnt sell enough premiums. maybe actually modelling the merkavas SLERA/composite armour properly would make more people want to play israel

crazy idea, i know

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Helps with the m48/m60 spam that most people avoid.

Leo2hel is unique So are some of the jets, Other than that subtrees always start with mostly copypaste.
Greece has plenty of mostly ground unique stuff to offer.

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would you spend time and money in something that doesn’t make money back?

no not really/ people dont play Israel because for them far more interesting TT exist or because of their political ideologies, i have only see people including me for the past year grinding the TT to prepare for the Greek subtree not for the Merkavas

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if people only want leopards, germany and sweden are already right there with way bigger lineups

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Greece and Cyprus isn’t just a Leopard (and out of 5-6 Leopard variants only 1 is copy and paste)

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im mainly just trying to bring attention to how gaijin has modelled the merkavas. i grinded israel for the merkavas in the first place, so thats what i actually care about. i dont mind the greek subtree at all, i just dont want stuff like the 2a6hel to come in, do really well, overshadow the merkavas completely and then the actual armour issues just get ignored again. i just want gaijin to take another proper look at the slera/composite modelling

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I 1000% agree that the Merkavas (and Namers) are totally wrong, but its 4-5 years they refuse to fix them and the Greek/Cypriot TT has nothing to do with it, you thing if the Leopard 2HEL wasn’t in this update they would fix it? Blaming the problems in the Greek/Cypriot subtree is wrong gaijin wouldn’t fix anything as they haven’t in so many years with or without the Greek/Cypriot subtree

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