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the british used these for tests. but they were not made for the british
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British controlled factory, had them built for them, used only by them and unique design just for them. Tell me again how many captured vehicles Britain has in their tree? But not surprised Germany would claim something they never used. Just add it to the list I suppose.
Panzer Tracks mentiones the Uparmored Jagdpanthers.
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eyyy i have that book
Or at least i was told such, currently looking through 9-3, dont know if he meant a different one.
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funny.
ill call ur bluff because the source ur using, even it states that they were built by germans in germany and the british transported three out of 18 to england. tell me again how they built them in a british controlled factory?
btw, did you know the brits also forced the factory workers to built more standard panthers for testing?
but never for service.
dont know dont care.
captured vehicles shouldnt have a place in WT
Just add it to both trees like the challenger 130 aswell. If it only comes to the british tech tree than UK mains can’t complain if the challenger 130 only goes to germany
The uparmored jagdtiger wont be that great either way but still nice to see. Most likely a 6.7 tank and worse than the jagdtiger and ferdinant/elephant due to much worse hp/t with the add on armor and the bad panther reverse
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ill reword it then. The modifications were made for the British to test things. this was done in a British controlled factory under British supervision
I didnt see it in 9-3, the person who told me looks again where he saw it.
i know it is in the UK National Archives under Armour trials reports.
they used these for HESH tests
And the origin?
wrong again. they were originally a means to combat the very capable soviet 122mm AT gun on the IS-2 and ISU-122, but the British got hold of the survivors after the war ended, and they transported at least or at max 3 out of 18 which were made/being made, and brought them to England for tests.
They found that even the uparmoured tanks couldnt withstand the 165mm HESH
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the guy who made the post on facebook: Tank Historia
No, i mean the origin of the modification.
as far as the poster has said and what ive gathered from around the web, originally they were a last ditch effort to counter the soviet 122 by the germans.
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So the F-5A, which is currently sitting in the USA tree and not dispersed across the nations that bought them while (not) being omitted from said USA tree because they never actually used it, on top of being a private venture from Northrop.
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I think there’s a difference to be stated between general export and specified export.
A general export product such as the F-5, was created for any paying customer (or in this case those who were allied with the U.S.), and would eventually go on to serve in multiple different nations despite many of the customers receiving the plane in a completely basic configuration. Here, we can say that the F-5A in the U.S. tree is representative of all total F-5A exports, as there is not just one nation to choose. More specifically even, you could say that the U.S. plane represents the finalized model that was tested by Northrop Grumman before export, so the vehicle is absolutely real in that sense.
A specified export would be any vehicle designed with intentions for sale to one or two specific foreign nations, such as the M1A2T, which has some light differences in order to fullfill Taiwanese requirements. Of course there are cases where specified export vehicles end up in the hands of new nations through capture, trade, etc. but it can always be true that the modifications on it were designed for one nation only, thus making it “their” version.
Of course, there are general export products such as the Stingray light tank which were advertised to a broad spectrum of countries but only ended up in one of them, which I think would be fair grounds to call that tank “their own”, as the product is way too dated to see any future customers.
I used a couple American examples here but the principles can be applied to exports of any country, Germany included.
IMO irrelevant. F-5A was built to be exported, with its intended target being not-the-US, out of a competition specifically to provide a new export fighter to allied nations.
If it ever comes to a Thailand subtree it should also go to the USA ground tree. It’s too cool to miss and I’m kinda tired of having seemingly arbitrary rules as to what nation gets which vehicles. USA just got the Skink despite not being involved with it in almost any way, while Germany making the KF41 is not good enough for it to be added.
I mean to each their own, I would just rather not see the same exact plane plastered around to represent all the nations that had it in real life, as even though it is historically accurate, it does numb the playstyle a bit if it becomes a very common enemy. I will admit i’m not really a plane person, but it’s obvious that there are plenty of unique foreign modifications that would work to represent their nations much better than an icon next to the vehicle name could.
I wouldn’t be opposed, but I think that it would be far more symbolic if the vehicle was only present at the end of a Thai subtree, meanwhile the U.S. will finally get some of their many, many other light tank prototypes they so deserve. I mean, I find it hard to understand how an exclusive Thai Stingray would be an issue if the U.S. got one that is objectively better in every way.
Fair enough. The KF41 is a general export product so by my personal ruling I have no problem with Germany getting one, alongside the KF41 (2018) and KF31.