Aside from the reload speed the Leclerc’s are only a bit better than the Leopard 2A6 in terms of mobilty. However the Leopard 2A6 is superior in terms of armor, survivability (spall liner and no auto death fuel tanks) and fire power with DM53. Will the Leopard 2A6NL and even 2A5 be the 1st and 2nd spawn instead of the Leclerc.
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I don’t think anyone who grinded france to top tier did that to play leopards. It’s just an unhealthy and lazy addition
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Leclerc is a effective vehicle in experienced hands, it won’t make it any obsolete in the game scenario as both vehicle exists and most of the time in the same side and Leclercs always has the best performance.
This Dutch addition (that could be very welcome to Germany) is a gap filler. A useless gap filler, as both Leopard 2A5/6 and Leclerc S1/S2/SXXI/AZUR plays the same BR range. So it’s just a useless gap filler.
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I don’t think so. From people talking, at most people will have one of the Leos in a line-up.
The Dutch Leos will see the most use in thematic line-ups, like a dedicated Dutch/BeNeLux one.
Is that a serious question ?
Leopard 2A6NL has better speed [Community Bug Reporting System], much, MUCH better armor, better penetration, better depression, more smokes, and more survivability thanks to 4 crew members…
The only things Leclercs have that the Leopard 2A6NL does not are a 5-second reload (at the cost of dying as soon as anyone sneezes anywhere near you due to crew loss) and Gen 2 thermals for the gunner instead of Gen 1.
Gaijin’s disregard for the French community’s opinions has been evident for some time, as shown in this thread: [VEXTRA 105 - Still not EXTRAordinary]. Here, Gaijin, dismissed player feedback, emphasizing once again that the developers seem more focused on maintaining their own agenda than on responding to France’s player base and their requests for native vehicles that perform adequately in the game.
Gaijin has shown (once again) they do not understand or care to understand France’s player base, which never wanted Leopard 2s. France’s players only wanted balanced and competitive Leclercs. Gaijin’s refusal to research the Leclercs and properly fix them, despite the numerous issues plaguing these tanks, has finally been addressed … by making them obscolete thanks to foreign MBTs.
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no worries, we are working on that aspect
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/YWLtgjkPMqCk
It will still be immensely superior to Leclerc’s armor even with these nerfs lol
so will the French 2A6NL have better turret armour than the Gemran 2A6?
In terms of performance yes. Even the 2a5 dunks on the best leclercs in pretty much all ways. Leclercs still have an edge in reload speed, thermal resolution, and a small lead in top speed but the leopards offer the ability to maybe stop a round if you get lucky which leclercs cant really do. In practice I dont think we’ll see them replacing Leclercs. If you cared enough to grind them out and are playing France you probably dont care about playing the meta. Not something I had hoped to see added especially not before some of Frances actually unique top tier kit but as long as they dont look at the leopards as a solution to France’s issues in game I dont much care
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turret armor stays the same, but the chassis armor of the 2a5nl and 2a6nl would be downgraded to 2a4 standards
so they should go down to BR 11.7. 2A5 atleast.
ariete and co are a thing, its still gonna stay 12.0 lol
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Ariete should have stayed at 11.3, even the AMV. I thought the whole point of going to 12.0 was so we got some compression at top teir.
Looks like there’s no point in playing anything that isn’t a leopard 2a4/5/6/7 anymore. Merkavas are shit. I have the mk III, leopard 2a4 sits a whole br lower almost and it doesn’t even have to aim to a weak spot, because the whole thing is a weak spot. Survivability? It’s dogshit, don’t believe YouTubers reviews that say muh merkava survivable. It’s one shot kill 90% of the time. Maybe gayjin just wants top tier to be a one shot shit fest that’s why they ain’t buffing the armour of cardboard tanks like the Ariete, and Merkava. They couldn’t care less about the real thing. Same for the Leclerc I guess, but I can’t say anything about it cause I didn’t play it yet.
Ive been saying this for a while they should take away dm53 from 2a5 and move it down to like 11.3
At this state of Leclerc?
Absolutely
Consisering 2pl and 2a4m are a thing and sits higher no taking away dm53 would nake it 11.3
Its better armored turret wise then those 2 and at 11.3 would be way ro much of a pain
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Thats just untrue. The leo is balanced well br wise.
If you go up in br the enemy tanks are better. And equal is similar.
2a4 aint surviveble either at that br the russian and american tanks are stronger armor wise not to mention reload
Did the dutch army even own Leopard 2A6? As far as I know they were just leasing some from German Bundeswehr to kept their crews trained. But they didn’t really own them. The dutch army tanker training is mostly done in Munster, Germany. So I wounder whether any of those even left Germany. Especially since NL ground forces are in integrated into Ger army.
With the state they’ve left Leclerc in, certainly.
They shouldn’t have been added. Leclerc should have been fixed. Not like they haven’t got enough accurate bug reports on it.