Because it’s better as an spaa than the ZSU? That’s a low bar. Most “spaa” are better at shooting down planes than the ZSU.
ZSU is at 7.0 because of it’s tank-killing ability. It’s more of an spg in disguise than it is an spaa.
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You do realise the issue is the APHE not the APCR…
They would still be quite similar, as the 40/70 have some advantages over the wz on other areas, lower than 7.7 doesnt really makes much of a sense, even if you consider the wz better is not by over .3 br difference, and 7.3 would already be too low for the 40 mm HE-VT
WZ is effective as both an anti air and anti tank. Leopard with HE-VT at 7.3 is just an effective anti air and is a sidegrade more or less to existing anti air like m163 because it lacks any sort of search or track radar
I wouldn’t say effective. More like capable to engage air targets. I would say in a lot of cases your better off in an IS-3 than a ZSU-57. At least the IS-3 doesn’t get killed easily by aircraft.
Edit: oh it’s about the proxy fuze ZSU right?
The wz is 8.0 solely from its hevt, also the 40/70 isnt useless against ground targets, 95mm of pen is still better than most spaag around the br, also the 40mm is arguably better than the vulkan.
Yes, as the ZSU-57-2 is 7.0, but it does not stop being good at anti tank. It can still pen everything.
At that BR it’s pretty weak for this.
M61 is guided.
The effective range of the 163 is just pitful, you can easily outperform the m163 with the hevt also it is far worse antitank wise, at 7.3 you also have the radarless zsu 23 and the wisels, these are overall worse vehicles aswell.
it isnt, it has the same penetration of the zsu-37-2 while being much more mobile, arguably better than the veak aswell
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I’m sure, if you look at the ZSU-37-2 closely, you will be able to figure out why the gun(s) on the ZSU are more effective than the bofors at anti tank
wiesel is 7.0 but its also not actually a spaa
just higher fire rate, the penetration is still inferior, not to mention the mobility, antitank wise the are pretty similar, dont pretend that 95mm of pen is somehow useless over 6.0 when you actually face less armored vehicles…
Yes… like… a lot higher rate of fire. It matters. It’s why the Leopard AA is better at anti tank than a M4 sherman despite having the same penetration. The rest of your sentence has to do with things other than the guns.
Wiesel is an SPAA the same way the ZSU-37(not ZSU-37-2) or the ZSU-57-2 are. I’m sure you understand what I’m saying so there’s no reason to play ignorant
sure it matters, but under a context, you dont need the much higher fire rate of the zsu when you can simply outflank them, and against planes it only matters when you compare to similar rounds, the zsu radar is also quite bad like on the m163, you can also outperfrom it with the 40/70 in that role.
still is 7.3, and as anti air is abolutely worse than the 40/70, and antitankwise is arguably worse than the 40/70, and still the 40/70 would be balanced at 7.7 from its anti air performance alone
Also dont pretend that the 40/70 is almost a full br worse than the wz because it isnt, anti air wise they are identical.
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leopard40/70 should be 6.7 or 7.0. its a leopard 1 chassis and has almost 100mm pen.
I don’t know what to tell you but 240 is actually very good, ostwind is a good aa and you only have 250 rpm with less velocity and he filler, honestly you’re just being ignorant here and probably judging from the earlier 120 rpm version which is pretty mid st shooting down planes. if you’re honestly struggling then it’s in you not the gun.
My outright favorite aaa, the coelian is at 7.0 with an he round with similar performance, although it gets double the guns it only has 250 rpm with identical velocity
7.7 would be too low. It would need 8.3 minimum.
Which one is that?
No way it should be 7.0. That’s the same as the ZSU-57-2 which has significantly more pen with 2 guns and the 341 which has much better armor, two guns and significantly more ammo.
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Oh, it’s Chinese and WZ… no wonder I couldn’t find it.
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lmao yeah giving a single bofors he vt does not make it better than radar spaa
if the bofors could use proxy fuses would be great but I think only super late variants can use them