Except that you didn’t or are straight up just lying for the sake of it. The radar operators own accounts literally say they made a blind shot, not that they detected and tracked it.
That’s funny because I don’t remember that part can you give me the source
So from the result on Danny’s statement first detection was at 23 km on p18 radar and due to fear of losing that target if they turn on the targeting radar they waited until the target got close to 16 km then they try to lock it and they failed try second time at 14 km failed again And then finally after it got close to around 13 km they managed to lock it.
Now if you can give me a proof that I’m wrong I’m more than willing to say that I am
The Serbians did not “track the F-117 through weather until it got close enough to be shot at” if they had been actively tracking the F-117, they would have eaten a HARM.
The AF was complacent in planning and repeatedly used predictable flight paths and the Serbian commander was smart enough to set a trap and had one in the right place and strobed the radar at the right time while a plane was close enough to get a shot at it.
And the fact that you say “I don’t know” about the rest is exactly the point I was getting at.
You understand very little, mostly 2nd or 3rd hand stories about a single engagement of a stealth aircraft. And you have made various pronouncements and statements about how it could be countered based on bad or misunderstood/misinterpreted information.
Yes, low frequency radars can sometimes, detect stealth aircraft in some conditions.
It is not a simple or for sure thing, so when you say things like “they’d just direct the fighters to that azimuth using terrain to hide their approach” it massively oversimplified, and I don’t think you understand just how much
First of all no the p18 radar is a metre wave radar it cannot be locked by a harm if it works at the lowest frequency wich it did
That is wrong as stated by multiple US pilots that have done missions in Serbia the Serbian Air Defence is would constantly change their positions and sometimes the one route would be clear and literally the same day few hours later there would be engagement in that particular route so no they didn’t use the same routes
The only thing I said I don’t know is how modern jammers would interact with modern anti-jamming systems
And yes it’s a second-hand story from the commander who served on that particular system during that particular engagement so I don’t see what’s your point and I want you to explain me what did I misinterpret because they literally stated they had a target on the search radar but they had a lot of difficulties using their targeting radar to achieve a lock
And again I’m repeating myself because you don’t read the message I understand I’m oversimplifying but most of the people don’t really care to read an encyclopaedia on step by step how the engagement would go
all 3 of which, are too advanced for the game
And I’m sorry but give credit to where credits are due serbians managed to shoot down one of the most advanced jets at the time with literal fucking rocks as anti air defence so calling at mostly luck is really not fair
And if you want I can give you the source for every claim that I stated here
I would like to see the source personally. That being said it wasn’t the most advanced at the time.
It’s well documented that the US airforce was using several predictable routes and that was one of the identified reasons why the shoot down occurred. The F117’s flight path was known based on takeoff times and strike times. This is not a debatable point of contention.
I’m sorry, but that’s a faulty way of thinking
and just because you know some particular aircraft took off from some particular air base doesn’t mean anything too many variables to even predict where that aircraft is going to come from If they knew where those Nighthawks were coming from then why didn’t they engage them before the Nighthawks already dropped their bombs?
you say well documented well documented where
And by the way I am from Serbia so I’m not 100% sure that this translation would be perfect
Unfortunately I can’t show you the presentation of Zoltan Dani I think it got deleted
And just to say if somebody doesn’t like my sources because they may be questionable I’m more than willing to take yours
And there is few more Serbian documentaries that have both Zoltan Dani and the pilot talking to each other about that day although unfortunately they don’t have English translations and I’m too bored to fucking do that
Sorry I’m not watching a 30 minute YouTube to debate the established facts of a shoot down in the 90’s that even the man who fired the missile attributed to knowing the F-117’s flight path.
There are litterally dozens of articles that reference the interview that Col Dani did after the shoot down.
It is well known that informants were reporting when aircraft take off, and the Serbians knew where the 117’s would be passing through, and that they didn’t have a EW/weasel escort and set an ambush. Never not given them credit. The AF got complacent and sloppy and he was smart enough to take advantage of that.
That still doesn’t help your statements about stealth.
At the end of the day. You present the attempt to track or intercept stealth/low radar observable aircraft as a very straightforward counter tactic. And it isn’t. Which is all I’ve said. You grossly (and I don’t think you have a good enough grasp on the topic to understand just how much) oversimplify how you would direct airplanes to sneak up on stealth aircraft as if it were just an ordinary counter and it isn’t.
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Ok I’ll stop the debate with you here cuz I don’t know what you’re reading but you’re obviously not reading what I’m saying And if you don’t want to see my source and disprove it and just say oh but mine is definitely correct because it’s mine then what else is there to debate
It’s not a debate.
The facts are not in question.
YouTube is not a source. I just provided you a link to an interview with the man who was running the battery, directed them on where to be, how to operate and gave the commands that shot down the plane you’re talking about and they litterally discuss exactly what I told you.
TLDR: you’re over simplifying, and I don’t think you understand just how much because you keep saying things like “I don’t understand” about literal critical parts of radar system tracking.
I’ll take that as your admission. Thank you.
Sure brother whatever makes you sleep at night