Lol that’s why you need to check stats before you make a statement like this bro
I have no need to stat shame people, your statements are obvious and damning along with your very blatant lie that was easily disproved.
Your choice to attempt to deflect my accusation is also just as damning.
How do you state shame someone when they claim something worked and they have 2.4, and you have 0.8? there is a reason why some players will never improve.
I don’t involve player stats when people make claims about a vehicle’s direct performance, you claimed -
Which is certifiably false as I have proven. Stats and player performance does not make the tank any less penetrable by 3BM60 or DTC10-125 as both rounds can reliably lolpen it out to 2km. To that same end, as I have already made clear, the 120S is taller than any other MBT of it’s class, it is, by default, overexposed.
They are good vehicles, yes. But i wouldn’t say they are overpowered. BMD-4 at 9.3 is perfectly reasonable, it requires skill to play effectively.
2S38 is quite slow and has paper thin armor, paired with bad module placement, any hit kills you (the ammorack is massive).
The only thing you managed to prove here is that you are completely clueless about the vehicle’s strength, the turret can bounce 3BM60, no use posting the analysis as it doesn’t account for the shot angle. You also have no experience playing the 120S, have you even gotten the M829 yet?
You are aware that the M1 series turret is strongest head on, rotating it at all causes the cheeks to become flatter, leading to a lower striking angle, thus, easier penetration. Doing so even allows the far weaker 3BM42 through.
Such a claim is laughable at best, exceedingly sad at worst.
Given your prior statements I would have expected you to already know this, but given you fully omit the 2 km pen listing I guess you don’t. Reminder that functionally every map in game has engagements that occur below 1 km, a successfully penetration listing at 2km, is more than double the standard engagement range and thus, the standard for lolpenning.
I have all major performance upgrades researched and A1, I’ve opted to not grind out the HEAT options like HE-OR as they don’t have much effect on the current state of the vehicle bar possibly memeing on helos.
The 120S is only viable in direct downtiers, and due to the current abysmal 10.3 MM, such never really occurs anymore, much akin to the 5.7 void, yes, the cheeks can stop 3BM42, but you will seldom encounter any tank bar the TURMs that slings such.
as a new bmd-4m player, yes this thing definitely need to move to rank VII
This topic really opened my eyes on how irritating top tier discussion sounds
Are you under the assumption that the 120S uses the M1A1 HC turret with DU? Because that’s not the turret it’s using, it’s using the basic M1A1 turret that provides 455-508mm of protection.
3BM-60 penetrates around 570mm at average ranges.
“My nation suffers more” is how most threads go.
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We have to consider marketplaces vehicles as well, how many times you’ve seen a battle rating where marketplace or event vehicles were ever included? From what I can remember very little,
If the Object 279 were a tech tree vehicle, it would’ve been in much higher battle rating, and according to Gaijin’s logic, not mine, Object 279 has little participation compared to the M3A3 Bradley in the matchmaking, and the M3A3 Bradley is at battle rating 10.0 because of the decompression we had some time ago,
In this case, the reason wasn’t because the vehicle had some explosive values that made up a reason for a higher battle rating, every battle rating 9.7 vehicle or above recieved a battle rating increase because of the decompression. Object 279 would’ve in much higher battle rating if Gaijin compared the target vehicle to other vehicles it would face in determined vehicle in my opinion.
In my opinion yes, it should but I doubt any changes will be made regarding heavy tanks situation, for comparion, IS-3 uses 'innovation’ (pike nose design) to make it lighter but with armor, in War Thunder this doesn’t work since the thin armor plates aren’t thick enough to sustain HEAT ammunition;
Which IS-4M at higher battle rating more raw armor values, not considering effective armor values such like angled plates and so on, has better efficiency against this and other types, while being the same in much aspects compared to the IS-3, IS-4M is much superior in armor yet similar in mobility, gun handling and ammunition options.
I see. I thought you had at least some idea what you were talking about — but apparently not. The 279 shows up in random battles more often than the M3A3. Do you know why?
The BMD-4 used to be at 9.0 GRB/8.7 GAB. The BMD-4M started at the current BR that they both sit at. The “OG” BMD-4 was raised up with it when the BMD-4M was listed for sale.
I hope we get one with darts at 10.x, I didn’t like the bmp2m very much.
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Wait, what? The BMP-2M has darts. And, what don’t you like about the BMP-2M? It is one of the absolute best light tanks in the game, and either my 2nd or 3rd favorite BMP/BMD (I count the 2S38 in that group too):
Did you know that the BMP-2M has IRST and can lock onto air targets? 2S38, BMP-2M, BMP-4, and BMP-4M all have IRST, and are in my lineup. Then my SPAA’s lul. Not only do I love light tanks, but I adore lights with IRST. I think have almost every IRST light in the game, or at least 90% of them now.
I might have some helpful advice about the BMP-2M 🙂
Biggest thing is the gun depression, 4 degrees is just vile. There is just no way to rat in that thing unless you find a spot that has depression for the commander sight to sling agms. Reverse is also really sluggish, so even on city maps where depression isnt an issue corner peaking becomes problematic since reversing into cover is a pain.
Basically it just lacks the ability to take shots without exposing most of the vehicle or pop out of cover and take shots and immedietly hide behind hard cover again which makes its survability pretty bad compared to the bmd or even the 2s38.
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Ah, well yeah RU gun depression is depressing 😂 And the hydro suspension of the BMD’s is joyful. I can see why you would like a 10.0 BR BMD with darts, I would too. Only problem is where the hell I’d fit it into my lineup LOL!
Idk, maybe I’m just used to it, but I don’t find the gun depression that much of an issue, especially when I’m able to sling the ATGM’s up and down over a lot of hills. Maybe it is partially because I usually bring the BMP-2M in late, after I’ve gone through my 2S38, and usually BMD-4M. I DO bring in the BMP-2M in right after the 2S38 if we are getting heli spammed though. The 2M’s IRST + APSD belts usually nuke helis in just a hit or two (I never use darts as the spalling is just too low, APDS way better for helis/planes). I also never use the prox missiles, waste of missiles imo. The IRST+APDS is more than enough, and way faster too. Definitely easier with the 2M vs air than the BMD’s. Not just the higher fire rate, but imo, the BMP-2M’s IRST is just perfect. Best of any light tank I have used so far.
Oh yes, that is a very good point. The BMP-2M is probably the most squishy/explody of ALL the BMPs/BMD’s, period. Especially with that missile helmet 💥
Huh, actually kind of odd how squishy it is even with the engine in front. I die at least 2x as easily in the BMP-2M compared to the BMDs, even though I have them all Ace crew trained (the reg BMD-4 shows slightly lower crew skill, but it’s maxed for everything that matters, and the first 3 crew memebers). And the BMD’s engine’s are in back. HRMMMM
“Why the hell are russian vehicles at such low BR?”
Why are we bringing Russia specifically into this, the Turm III (also a premium) is also undertiered and is German. Your answer is that it’s a money-maker for Gaijin.
Russia is the boogeyman of the game at this point. At this point I could see the average forum user being able to explain why dying in their abrams to a leopard is somehow russian bias.
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