Why play Achilles when the M10 is at the same BR?

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The M10 used to have a 5.9s reload (if I recall correctly) and was at 3.7.
The Achilles was 3.7 too and has a 6.7s reload.

Both had decent armour in a full downtier, but both their main gimmicks are their great guns.

In most cases, I would rather have the 5.9s M62 shot (~149mm pen with ~60g of TNT equiv) over the 6.7s Shot Mk.8 ( ~190mm pen with pretty good spalling but no explosive filler), but I can understand where sometimes I’d rather have the better penetration (such as against the KV-1E / KV-1B).

Due to their extremely bad turret rotation speed and open-top nature, they went down to 3.3, which they both sit relatively comfortably ( at least from my experience). The KV-1E / KV-1B also went to 4.3, so you’d only have to face them in a full uptier.

However, the M10 got a 5.5s reload buff, and not long after had a 5.0s reload buff. At this point, I really don’t see a reason to take the Achilles over the M10 (other than to play 3.3 Britain).

I suggest buffing the Achilles reload rate to 6.0s, or maybe even 5.5s.

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They use different guns though also the reload would be unfair for a Sherman firefly cannon

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I know

Reload rate is fluid for vehicles without autoloader in-game. It’s why the M10 has a 5s reload ( and not the 5.9s) despite using the American 76mm gun.

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But also see nothing wrong with the reload so in my opinion its fine where it is

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It’s just underwhelming when you could just be using 5s reload 150mm pen APHE.

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Honestly i prefer the achilles over the m10

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In what situation would you need the 40mm extra penetration at 3.3? Let alone willing to sacrifice the APHE filler and 5s reload?

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The situation where i prefer the 17 pounder and APHE isnt the be all end all

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Seems kinda pointless if you ask me.

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Just saying i prefer the 17 pounder, shot mk8 works perfectly fine

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Sure it does. I don’t deny that. Just that I’d much rather take the 5s reload and better one-shot potential in most cases.

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Honestly i like both vehicles equally i just prefer the 17 pounder, works better for me

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I just don’t understand when the extra penetration would be useful, let alone outweigh the pros that a 5s reload and access to 60g of TNT give.

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Personal preference end of the day, plus i can use the premium achilles for events since its rank 3, i get why people prefer the m10 but for me specifically achilles is my go to

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Isn’t the reason we play the Achilles simply because an M10 doesn’t exist in the British tree? 17-Pdr at 3.3 is pretty good.

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Ok so I get why you’d prefer the Achilles when griding event vehicles (Achilles can whereas the M10 can’t), but personal preference generally comes down to a trade-off that you’re willing to make… which I’m not seeing here.

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That’s true, but if you’re fine with playing US 3.3 or GB 3.3, what is the point of choosing the Achilles over the M10?

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Ive used the 17 pounder so much i dont see the difference in firepower anymore between the 2 vehicles, APHE isnt something that bothers me now

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Yeah, the 17 pounder can one-shot almost as often as the American 76mm can… but the 5s reload just helps a lot more than 6.7s – that’s for sure 😅

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I honestly use the extra time to refine my aim