You come across as someone who will look for any excuse not to improve.
With an autocannon? Above 10.0… Really? The M1 ballistic skirts make it almost immune to 2A42 APDS, most autocannons even at a slight angle. The only reason you are saying this is most of your experience with autocannons is the ERBC Jaguar 40mm CTC, by far one of the best autocannons in the game, try a Desert Warrior or M3A3 then come back.
You’d be surprised at how many people in this game are Gamer Gods that never make mistakes, whenever they die it’s always because the other guy got lucky.
He was right, you do come across as rather dense
This point would hold more weight if all platforms with 2A42/2A72 APDS belts didn’t also feature supplementary missile launchers, with the sole exceptions being the Swedish BMP-2MD and the BTR.
You also seem to deliberately overlook the fact that eastern autocannons offset their lower penetration values with a vastly superior rate of fire, effectively compensating for any advantage the western systems might otherwise have.
Your presumption is just false. I’ve also spent a considerable amount of time using both smaller and larger caliber autocannons:
30mm ZPL02 - ZBD04A
57mm Bofors - Bgpz57
30mm MK30-2 - Puma
57mm 2A90 - Derivatsiya
75mm ADMAG - RDF/LT, HSTV-L
Once again, you fail to connect the dots by youself. The reason I brought up specifically this French autocannon was to demonstrate that even “by far one of the best autocannons in the game” is still unable to counteract the magical KE protection values attributed exclusively to Russian ERA. Even the 75 mm ADMAG, which features the highest penetration of any autocannon, still struggles against “Relict” and “Kontakt-5” which are even more common at its battle rating. With all due respect, being forced to spell out every point I attempt to convey makes conversing with you quite a frustrating ordeal.
Although, admittedly, I don’t have much experience with the Bushmasters specifically, the number of complaints regarding their in-game performance don’t exactly fill me with enthusiasm to try them out.
Something I’d like to add to my previous points is that there are bug reports demonstrating that NATO ERA can be significantly more resistant to KE damage than the in-game stats would make you believe. Just to give one example:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/Z0H3xuwhqEkH
And you’re still struggling with the sides of Russian MBTs?
I preferred my assumption
You don’t need to which is what I’ve been saying
k and?
You continue to imply that I lack skill, yet I’ve made it clear that this is irrelevant to the specific concern I brought up regarding the discrepancy between NATO and Soviet protection against autocannons. Given how you consistently ignore my key points, you clearly struggle with basic reading comprehension.
I find it unnecessary to continue this conversation further.
Well, it kind of does considering the M109’s we have in game are stuck with the M107, and arbitrarily don’t have access to the far superior M795 like they could, which is a free extra 4kg of TNTe(6.8 vs 10.4kg), and Zone 8 (684 vs 802m/sec) velocity left on the table.
So the vietnam era m109 should get the 2010s rounds? Pretty sure that all the variants that we have of them are cold war, not to mention that at the br that they are at the 9kg of tnte that they have is more than sufficient
Also seem to be the explosion knetics are pretty similar to tnt so the TNTe would be around 1 so no where even close to the 4kg that youre claiming.
The M795 was Type Classified in '82, and the round in various manuals is cleared for use in the M185, and further listed as a shell used by the M109 ~ M109A4.
Configurations aren’t just frozen the second something reaches service.
Sure, but it does provide options to Gaijin, should it need have it’s BR increased.
The M795 has a larger internal volume which is where the larger explosive mass comes from. TNTe accounts for the explosive’s RE factor, and so is more accurate in game than solely relying on the explosive mass for a given shell.
Also it would apear that the M107 shell in game is improperly named / configured, as it is named as if it is loaded with TNT, not Comp. B, but has the Re factor as if loaded with Comp. B.
Seems that i missread the BAE article, i thought that it was a “new” round
Sure, but the same goes around, the soviet 2s3 also have access to more powerful rounds like the 30f45, at the end the rounds are a balancing factor, and not giving them a more powerful rounds to keep them at a lower br isnt a bias
Not sure about that, the RE factor is impacted more by the density of the explosive, where as the IMX-101 have an slightly lower a lower density, the volume chamber doesnt really play a role on the RE factor, and from what i have seen they name it as a direct replacement for TNT with very similar mechanics, the main point of it is the insensitivity not being more powerful.
From BAE wording the performance is equivalent to TNT so the RE factor should be very close to 1
I mean it seems to be correct, in game uses comp b
It’s
Explosive mass * Re Factor = TNTe
The M795 shell simply has a lager explosive mass as it uses the significantly longer M483A1 as the donor for the projectile’s body not the M107 shell; which is where the larger internal volume comes from, subsequently permitting a larger explosive charge to be fitted and even with a RE factor similar to TNT, the TNT Equivalent mass of the shell remains higher than that of the M107.
Without a mechanic implemented to account for the Insensitive Munitions certified qualities of IMX-101, the M795E2 shell would be redundant. Similar to Gaijin’s claims around the performance of M829A3 sans ERA bypass. So the TNT filled M795E1 would be fine until then.
Isn’t it at all suspicious when the addition of M795 would causes the M109(Ax) to fall on the other side of a breakpoint for penetrating the 45mm of Turret / Hull roof armor of certain threats. It’s not like the 2S3M’s weakest HE shell it has access to OF-540 needs help penetrating ~25mm
Depends on production, and it should be specified as either M107(DC) [Deep Cavity] or M107(NC)[Normal Cavity]. and if it’s a 'Nam era shell it’s almost certainly produced with “re-harvested” TNT from WWII bombs due to the massive production shortages at the time.
Alternately , the CAPULDI would indicate that they have two separate NSNs so are not fully interchangeable (as with the AMRAAM motor, -1 would be appended otherwise as with the “+5” motor ; “PN G672798-1” ).
The m107 already penetrates 61mm of armor sure the extra kilogram would help overpressure range but it penetrations would be quite similar
Im confused by 25mm are you referring to the knetic penetration? Because the OF 540 have a penetration from he effect of 49 mm while the 3of25 is 62.
Exactly so it’s not as much of an improvement. Hardly worth a BR increase. every extra millimeter helps due to how the LOS is calculated.
The RHAe of most NATO Turret / Hulls is only about an Inch(25mm) at most so has no problem retaining excess penetration, the “Doghouse” (Primary Sighting Complex) for example on the M1 makes 3OF26 deadly regardless of defilade.
Having to deal with a 45mm element instead means shot placement matters so much more so a premium would be placed on excess explosive mass since that’s what it’s derived from.
What tanks are you fighting with? Because any medium tank or heavy tank have more than an inch of armour or in the hull, and the hull/ turret roofs of the russian tanks around the br are not particularly armoured aside from some outliers
What does this have to do with the m109 exactly?
Just say you can’t play the game. Russian tanks are skillcheck vehicles for if their enemies can aim. You clearly did not pass this check.
because you aren’t making any
just excuses
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Russian Bias protecting the crew again oh wait-
lil bro you literally aren’t making any counter arguments besides snide remarks, you lost that debate lol
Well, to be fair, large autocannons like the 40mm and 75mm can clean RU tanks if you go for around the suspension.
Small ones like the 25 or 30 just lack firerate and post-pen, and that griefs them.
yeah sure bro, ignore the shrapnel getting absorbed by the auto loader or the era just eating the round, honestly it’s hilarious you say there’s no bias, I strictly play air rb 99% of the time and it’s simply not true lmao, gaijin very clearly has a finger on the scale…
