The Pantsir is strong, but not as invincible as you make it out to be.
I get that, but its not that clear of a distinction, the F15E just doesnt turn making it very vulnerable to any missile platform and its even worse if you bring the extra GBUs which is the only benefit the 15E has over 16C
Fair point you make. Dodging SAMs is definitely difficult in the F-15E/i. Personally I think altitude is a good idea but then you have to deal with enemy fighters with a platform that is difficult to get into a notch. However, Glide bombs also prove a very viable option for taking out pantsirs or other SAM system, and as I’ve already said before, its extensive air to ground loadout is just too strong for 12.7.
A simple example. Have you seen how the KH-38MT works in the game? If you don’t have them, just watch the replays. I’ll tell you briefly.
When a Su-34 or Su-30 appears at an air respawn, they don’t dive to the ground, but start scanning the area, and at a distance of 10 km they launch their missiles and almost all of them hit. Do you understand? And when an F-15E appears, it dives to the ground because a Pantsir SAM is flying at it, and even if it launches all its Mavericks at targets, the Pantsir will intercept them all.
Su-30/34s are braindead and its definitely not difficult to press space 6 times to get 5/6 free kills. However when they spawn in, just like the F-15E they are suceptiple to other aircraft and SAMs. Just because a vehicle takes a bit more skill to play doesn’t mean it should be at a lower BR.
I understand your point. I just dont really agree about the viability of SDB, ive gotten a few kills with it, but if the AA player is at all competent they can easily move 10m in the extremely long travel time during which the bomb is very visible to their radar
due to that I dont see how viable its air to ground loadout is for 13.0 along with its poor defensive capability
maybe if it got BOL pods and could bring its full countermeasures with TGP the slight increase in survivablity would be enough for it to move up but currently it is just to vulnerable to any kind of missile
if an aircraft can get more kills with less effort its put at a higher br thats how the game has always been balanced
Again true. However against aircraft it is capable of defending itself, the only real issue for the F-15E is the Pantsir, exaggerated by its poor flight performance.
not really KENO, BRs have mostly been decided by player stats with the vehicle in question.
well yes getting more kills for less effort is indeed a player stat so it would get an aircraft put up in br??
No. Even if you take a plane with Fox-3, you will have to run to the ground from the start and hide from Pantsir, you will lose your position, you will not be able to conduct an equal air battle. In addition, the F-15E and F-15S have worse radars than the Su-30, especially near the ground, they will not be able to conduct an equal attack, and the R-77-1 missiles are very good at short distances and have better performance than the AIm-120.
Again true. However gaijin is too lazy to properly decompress the game or give other nations something truly as capable as the KH-38MT (if it even exists). The KH-38MT has been the true problem for the game and so comparing anything to it is futile. Compare the F-15E to other 12.7s and there’s no contest as to whats a better jet for CAS
There are two options, either remove Pantsir from the game and make everyone 13.0, although Mavericks are much worse than KH-38MT, but even so they can be on the same BR. Or the second option is to introduce a modern SAM system for the US, which will be able to intercept missiles like Pantsir and shoot down targets at 18 km.
Exactly what i want lmao
And again, I should make this clear. I don’t want teams to get demolished by the first person that can spawn a CAS jet. I think every nation currently has decently balanced cas (apart from russia). Asking for stronger missiles is not a good idea in my opinion. The KH-38MT should be removed (if no proof of it existing is found) or nerfed to the standards of other missiles. the Pantsir S1 is obviously the best SPAA, so move it up. Now Demokrat has only been fixated on US vehicles, especially complaining about the ADATS (without thinking of other nations because why would he). Other nations need better SAMs, or buffs to current ones. But wanting better CAS is a horrible idea when the current in game SPAAs are struggling
well yes the kh38 should never have been added into the game that early, but the f15E being at 12.7 instead of 13.0 is not a problem at all considering nothing it uses is very hard to counter at all.
Honestly suprised I haven’t seen more comments like this
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“Not a problem at all”? Its only OK if US vehicles are on top is what my experience in the game and forums have been so far. Move it to 13.0
other nations have cas options just as good as the f15E at 12.7 what are you on about
Japan? China? Sweden? They definitely don’t.