Fair point, but I don’t personally think the F-16C is on par with the current 13.0 ground RB planes.
the UK ADATS is arguably better than the US one, its got a bit worse mobility but its sight elevation isnt limited to the gun elevation like the US one making it harder to get above its arcs of fire
The 15E and JAS39C sit at the same BR. I don’t think a Gripen C should be facing 11.3 Ground forces, its a comparison I made to prove a point
yeah, thats my point the F16C is arguably better for CAS than the F15E but it definitely doesnt belong at 13.0
It certainly does. When the enemy has a means to intercept all your missiles. This changes the balance of the game very much.
Personal opinion does matter. You may favour the F-16C for CAS, but the F-15E for most people is a better option.
The Pantsir is strong, but not as invincible as you make it out to be.
I get that, but its not that clear of a distinction, the F15E just doesnt turn making it very vulnerable to any missile platform and its even worse if you bring the extra GBUs which is the only benefit the 15E has over 16C
Fair point you make. Dodging SAMs is definitely difficult in the F-15E/i. Personally I think altitude is a good idea but then you have to deal with enemy fighters with a platform that is difficult to get into a notch. However, Glide bombs also prove a very viable option for taking out pantsirs or other SAM system, and as I’ve already said before, its extensive air to ground loadout is just too strong for 12.7.
A simple example. Have you seen how the KH-38MT works in the game? If you don’t have them, just watch the replays. I’ll tell you briefly.
When a Su-34 or Su-30 appears at an air respawn, they don’t dive to the ground, but start scanning the area, and at a distance of 10 km they launch their missiles and almost all of them hit. Do you understand? And when an F-15E appears, it dives to the ground because a Pantsir SAM is flying at it, and even if it launches all its Mavericks at targets, the Pantsir will intercept them all.
Su-30/34s are braindead and its definitely not difficult to press space 6 times to get 5/6 free kills. However when they spawn in, just like the F-15E they are suceptiple to other aircraft and SAMs. Just because a vehicle takes a bit more skill to play doesn’t mean it should be at a lower BR.
I understand your point. I just dont really agree about the viability of SDB, ive gotten a few kills with it, but if the AA player is at all competent they can easily move 10m in the extremely long travel time during which the bomb is very visible to their radar
due to that I dont see how viable its air to ground loadout is for 13.0 along with its poor defensive capability
maybe if it got BOL pods and could bring its full countermeasures with TGP the slight increase in survivablity would be enough for it to move up but currently it is just to vulnerable to any kind of missile
if an aircraft can get more kills with less effort its put at a higher br thats how the game has always been balanced
Again true. However against aircraft it is capable of defending itself, the only real issue for the F-15E is the Pantsir, exaggerated by its poor flight performance.
not really KENO, BRs have mostly been decided by player stats with the vehicle in question.
well yes getting more kills for less effort is indeed a player stat so it would get an aircraft put up in br??
No. Even if you take a plane with Fox-3, you will have to run to the ground from the start and hide from Pantsir, you will lose your position, you will not be able to conduct an equal air battle. In addition, the F-15E and F-15S have worse radars than the Su-30, especially near the ground, they will not be able to conduct an equal attack, and the R-77-1 missiles are very good at short distances and have better performance than the AIm-120.
Again true. However gaijin is too lazy to properly decompress the game or give other nations something truly as capable as the KH-38MT (if it even exists). The KH-38MT has been the true problem for the game and so comparing anything to it is futile. Compare the F-15E to other 12.7s and there’s no contest as to whats a better jet for CAS
There are two options, either remove Pantsir from the game and make everyone 13.0, although Mavericks are much worse than KH-38MT, but even so they can be on the same BR. Or the second option is to introduce a modern SAM system for the US, which will be able to intercept missiles like Pantsir and shoot down targets at 18 km.
Exactly what i want lmao