Come on, I’m sure that on 11.0 many will learn to play against him just like they learned to play against Pantsir and KH-38MT, I’m sure Skill decides.
Or move the Pantsir up. That works too. I’m still eyeing the KH-38MT Might not Exist thread on the forums and there’s no credible proof of its existance (STILL). However, the F-15E should not sit at the same battle rating as something like a Mirage 2000 or J-11
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yeah im still on the fence about that, due to its inability to defend itself, and the pretty bad CAS loadout
if it gets better CAS stuff though it absolutely should be 13.0
or even any sort of effective secondary CAS weapon because firing your 6 mavs from the 10km is you have to keep away will probably only get a kill or two and that is your only decent offensive CAS option and costs a stupid amount to spawn
I’m going to compare the JAS39C with the F-15E now. The F-15E has a stronger air to air loadout, better radar and RWR set, much stronger CAS loadout and the only disadvantage of the 15E is the flight performance and gun against ground targets. These 2 sit at the same BR for GRB (12.7). Now under no circumstance am I suggesting that the JAS39C should be moved to 12.3, but theres just a small comparison I thought of.
The US also does not have a modern SAM system. Nor do they have modern AGM missiles. If they give the US a SAM system with the capabilities of the Pantsir and missiles like the Kh-38MT, then we can talk about 13.0, while the F-15E fights against the Pantsir and the R-77-1.
I’m now gonna compare to britain- The UK’s best SAM option is a gunless ADATS. Sure theres the Strela as well, but there you go. the US ADATS is pretty average when it comes to most nations top tier SPAA, it’s the pantsir thats superior to all by a decent margin. So my solution: Move the Pantsir S1 up. But still, an average SAM system is not an excuse to have a blatantly stronger CAS plane.
thats true but comparing F15e to F16c the f15 has more speed and if loaded for CAP slightly more air to air missiles or additional ineffective air to ground ordinance vs the f16 having a better targeting pod, and significantly better pull making the same 6 mav loadout more likely to get kills
and nobody seems to be calling for F16c to go to 13.0 even if currently I find it more effective
I don’t understand, if JAS39C is so bad, why don’t you ask to lower its BR? What does F-15E have to do with it?
Fair point, but I don’t personally think the F-16C is on par with the current 13.0 ground RB planes.
the UK ADATS is arguably better than the US one, its got a bit worse mobility but its sight elevation isnt limited to the gun elevation like the US one making it harder to get above its arcs of fire
The 15E and JAS39C sit at the same BR. I don’t think a Gripen C should be facing 11.3 Ground forces, its a comparison I made to prove a point
yeah, thats my point the F16C is arguably better for CAS than the F15E but it definitely doesnt belong at 13.0
It certainly does. When the enemy has a means to intercept all your missiles. This changes the balance of the game very much.
Personal opinion does matter. You may favour the F-16C for CAS, but the F-15E for most people is a better option.
The Pantsir is strong, but not as invincible as you make it out to be.
I get that, but its not that clear of a distinction, the F15E just doesnt turn making it very vulnerable to any missile platform and its even worse if you bring the extra GBUs which is the only benefit the 15E has over 16C
Fair point you make. Dodging SAMs is definitely difficult in the F-15E/i. Personally I think altitude is a good idea but then you have to deal with enemy fighters with a platform that is difficult to get into a notch. However, Glide bombs also prove a very viable option for taking out pantsirs or other SAM system, and as I’ve already said before, its extensive air to ground loadout is just too strong for 12.7.
A simple example. Have you seen how the KH-38MT works in the game? If you don’t have them, just watch the replays. I’ll tell you briefly.
When a Su-34 or Su-30 appears at an air respawn, they don’t dive to the ground, but start scanning the area, and at a distance of 10 km they launch their missiles and almost all of them hit. Do you understand? And when an F-15E appears, it dives to the ground because a Pantsir SAM is flying at it, and even if it launches all its Mavericks at targets, the Pantsir will intercept them all.
Su-30/34s are braindead and its definitely not difficult to press space 6 times to get 5/6 free kills. However when they spawn in, just like the F-15E they are suceptiple to other aircraft and SAMs. Just because a vehicle takes a bit more skill to play doesn’t mean it should be at a lower BR.
I understand your point. I just dont really agree about the viability of SDB, ive gotten a few kills with it, but if the AA player is at all competent they can easily move 10m in the extremely long travel time during which the bomb is very visible to their radar
due to that I dont see how viable its air to ground loadout is for 13.0 along with its poor defensive capability
maybe if it got BOL pods and could bring its full countermeasures with TGP the slight increase in survivablity would be enough for it to move up but currently it is just to vulnerable to any kind of missile