Not really, easy to pen the cheeks with DM33s
DM33 is kinda a top-ish tier round, especially from the 120mm.
I doubt he’s talking about 120mm dm33. 105 dm33 is found everywhere at that br.
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Still a pretty powerful round.
and?
405mm of pen…
3BM42 ‘mango’ has 462…
That’s a strong round, no crap it’s gonna pen a basic T-72 turret.
The 105mm on Leopard 1s, not the 120s.
Most APFSDS pens the ZTZ96 cheeks without much issue
The Strv 105 (BR 9.3) has 430mm of pen (Long rod 10.5cm slpprj m/90c)
The Strv 105 at its thickest have only 150-ish MM of armor in the mantlet and nothing else.
The ZTZ-96 (Standard early BR 9.3) has 466mm of pen (Long rod 12.5cm Type 1985 APFSDS)
The best armor on the ZTZ 96 is 220mm on the turret, and a high angled 100mm on the hull.
It seems relatively balanced, if not a bit on the strong side.
Everything is kinda a glass cannon in this BR range.
Yeah, probably the best balanced BR imo, the T-64A is the closest thing to a tank that can absorb shells quite often, but that have its own issues in terms of mobility and gunhandling at 9.3.
Don`t have the ZTZ96 myself, but have no issues killing it frontally with a 105mm.
Think it have no thermals, bad reverse and kinda shit optics so pretty balanced at 9.3 id say.
The MBT-70 probably stuggles with it though with the BB gun it carries.
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Armor can stop 105 DM23 in it’s main areas (yes not everywhere but that’s how it is with a lot of tanks; these things are known as “weakspots”) and shoots a round that has 466mm pen at 0° but most importantly 269mm at 60°
And I mean doesn’t feel off that the ZTZ96A’s (the next tank) is quite literally the same tank with addon armor (pretty much the exact same weakspots) and a more powerful engine w/ worse gun depression and elevation but again shooting the exact same round at one whole BR increase (10.3)
It’s a pretty comparable tank the the T-64B which is a 9.7 vehicle
The T-64B has MUCH more armor.
According to you playercard you don`t even have the ZTZ96 OR the T-64B
And slower
And overall worse armor overall with a huge LFP
Even the UFP armor is similar, 370 to 380 on the T-72 while it’s 380 to 385 on the ZTZ96
I didn’t say it had the same armor I said it was comparable (fun fact there are vehicles in game that are at a higher BR than the T-64B that have less armor)
And yes I don’t have them but I can do this thing called make an observation
“and slower”
56kmh vs 60kmh
“huge lower LFP” as I described a “weakspot”
ZTZ96 and T-72A are basically analogue sidegrades.
One has a better shell and gun handling; the other has smaller profile, better armor profile, thicker and more effective armor. T-72A has better mobility as well; leaving aside the marginally higher top speed, it also has a higher HP/T ratio that allows it to accelerate faster.
Against 105mm DM33:
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The T-64B doesn’t change in really any way compared to the T-72As armor (against DM33); you will always aim for lower plate and drivers optics (however the T-64B does have a pretty cool weakspot, the turret roof)
The only point you’re making here at best is that the T-64B should be at 9.3 (but I’d presume you’d be against that)
WTF? The T-64B is already possibly the best 9.7 tank
Congratulations you agree with that point. The T-64B should be at 9.7 and not 9.3
T-64B has the advantages of T-72A and ZTZ96; it has the firepower of ZTZ96, and the armor profile (and better) of T-72A.
Look at HP/ton