Why is the T-80U-E1 still at 11.7?

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People don’t talk about other countries’ tanks anymore, they probably don’t need to.

All the friends in the game act as bait for Russian and Chinese tanks.

In the German tree, they play with tanks like the T90A, which was produced in 2004 and has a penetration capacity of 580 and cannot be penetrated, in the battles that the Leopard A4 (1985-92) is included in.

The funny thing is that no one who plays with the Leopard A4 says there is an injustice here. They continue to play like animals.

I can’t stand this disgrace anymore.

AND IF I HAVE FRIENDS WHO CAN USE THEIR LITTLE MIND, PLEASE DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN SIMULATION WARS WITH THIS BRAIN AND BE FEEDED BY THIS CIRCUS.

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Bait used to be belivable

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much worse then that

the solution is to not play this tank range at all.

boycott

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i did have thermal, low resolution avaga-2 384x288
tho the T-80B prototype does not have thermal at all yet they get gen 2 ingame for some reason

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Almost a universal issue. Actually, just a Universal issue. Even the 2A7 and 122B+ have this problem. All you have to aim for is the Cannon Breech area and that takes out Gunner Commander Barrel and Breech. Yes the T-80U-E1 may be more susceptible then the 2A7/122B+ is, it is AS susceptible as things like the M1A2, Type 90s, 2A5, Chally 2, Leclerc, and Ariete, all which sit at the same BR as this thing. And the T-80UE-1 definitely outclasses these vehicles in certain areas (M1A2 and Type 90s and Leclerc and Ariete in armor, 2A5 and Chally in speed from what I have seen in games). SO it sits fine where it is right now.

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I believe the T-80-UE1 should be equipped with the 3BM60 and faster high-low machines, and remain in the 11.7 BR (just like the M1A1 HC “Click-Bait”). Even though its armor isn’t great, it has good mobility.

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The majority of Soviet produced T-80U’s didn’t, it was only a small batch with Agava-2 iirc.

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It’s better than the Clickbait’s. Gets similar mobility with better armor, only on-paper negatives are pen and reload rate. There is no reason for it to get 3BM60, although 3BM60 won’t affect the way the tank plays by much.

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You forgot about reverse speed gun depression and vertical aiming speed.
CB and HC definitely need to go to 12.0.

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The TT T-80U is modeled after the swedish trials T-80U (same one as the swedish squad vic). It does use Agava and only has Gen 1 thermals

UE-1 is straight up better because it uses the Plisa Thermals which uses iirc french thermals in that system. It’s modeled as Gen 2 in game

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If those go, the T-80U-E1 should go. It has the same forward mobility with better armor and a much smaller profile. The HC and U-E1 are realistically equals, and therefore the BRs should be treated as such.

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It’s still much worse than BVM at 12.0.
Meanwhile CB, HC and M1A2 are the same thing as SEP but with worse thermals, but sit at a lower BR.

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the smal batch is enough for gaijin to put them in
yet abrums DU hull but im not gonna argue on that(for now)

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man i wish they buff the thermal on ADATS to gen 2 cuz FLIR from the apache has much higher res than normal tank FLIR, should be close to gen 3 even

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They also lack the additional armor packages that are a big advantage for the SEP against missiles and other HEAT/HE based threats.

Making them, in turn, much worse than the SEP at 12.0. And that is ignoring the V2 and its ARAT tiles. I think the T-80U-E1 and the HC/A2 are all viable and perfectly balanced at 11.7. Plus, in the long run the amount of full downtiers at 11.7 is so minimal that it doesn’t even really matter.

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I think you’re overvaluing that ERA as it isn’t effective against most common threats, aka darts.

It also weighs a lot so it hurts the mobility. SEP v2 is often considered worse due to that baked in ERA you cannot remove.

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you know how many times i no penned weakspots with 3bm46??

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At the bare minimum, the T-80 UE-1 should not be moved down, based on the tanks it would face, it would go from competent in the hands of any player with any skill, to an absolute menace, skilled players would flock, and it would get thrown into orbit at like 90000.0 BR, so ultimately moving it down would be worse in the end.

Also, the BVM is definitely uptier worthy, I face it constantly at 11.7 and it is one of the hardest to kill top tier tanks, unless you catch it in the side, the universal MBT weakness, penning the turret ring or breach is inconsistent at best, lower front plate is decent at bouncing shots, and it has a very capable gun. In a Leopard 2A6 I had a duel with one that lasted crazy long all because it is actually very, very mobile, I went for a kill shot into its side that simply evaporated, he shot me without really aiming vaguely into the side of my track and one shot me, so calling the T80 BVM the worst top tier is incompetent. The worst top tiers are the Leclerc and Ariete, compare the T80 BVM with them and its very obvious the BVM is absolutely not bad, at all. You just have to half awake to use it.

BMP needs to be moved up too, menaces.

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Where is the problem?

You get stock T-80U without thermals. You research thermals → you have an uprgraded tank from small batch with agawa 2

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The M1A1 HC/CB and M1A2 (Regular) should get M829A2 removed tbh, with M829A1 being their new top shell.