Lmao, that’s awesome XD
Peak US teams right there
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It did drop to 4.0.
The one that wasn’t dropped was the D-10, because people rightfully complained as it has far better performance than either the D-5 or D-20.
Isn’t it like a slightly less powerful D-30?
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It’s closer to the P-51D-30 in horsepower and power to weight than to the D-5, which is exactly why it wasn’t dropped in BR even though Gaijin planned for it initially.
The P-51D-30 is a bit lighter so it always has a HP/ton edge over the D-10, even though there are altitudes where the D-10 has more horsepower.
Yeah. I wish I had purchased it when it on sale during that last sale. But I didn’t have the money at the time. It should be coming back for US AF day though hopefully
The long game is dead these days because ticket bleed and base aaa. That seriously neuters US planes. The short game meta drives people to engage quickly and try to get a numbers advantage. Part of US planes when co-energy has always been to bore your opponent to death so he will turn off because they can’t catch you giving you an energy advantage. But if they are stubborn or you are the only one left they can just climb on your tail and push a stalemate at least. So the only real true advice any one can give is to get good at head ons (not full commit) and merging. Stealth belts in 50s don’t do quite as much damage usually but they are deadly in a head on. And allow you engage from farther range in your attacks as well. Because very often your opponent won’t recognize your firing and will just fly in a straight line waiting on tracers.
On a side note planes like this or any fast weak turning plane in any nation benefits far more from a wingman. It’s a force multiplier. Sure any plane gets better in a squad. But nothing like fast planes that can just drag N bag playing monkey in the middle with the enemy team. Friend me in game I will fly US stuff with you.
Yeah, but it is imho not solely based on the inability of using certain US aircraft, the grind at lower tiers is simply way too easy - meaning that the players progress way too fast up to rank IV.
And to be fair, using any P-51D or P-47 requires very specific (and imho extremely boring) play styles to make them work - and, ofc, the ability to “read” a game, so making the right decisions at the right point in time.
The transformation of Air RB into Air AB+ is part of the problem and i do agree that flying certain other nations require way less efforts to have some fun, but if you look closer most rookies simply believe the fairy tales of “P-51 = best fighter of WW2” and are deeply disappointed when their game results do not fit to this narrative.
The P-51 Ds are excellent aircraft above 6km coming in with altitude and numerical advantage - even Hartmann was shot down by P-51s above Romania - but the wt meta kills those advantages.
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Yeah planes like the P-51C and F4UA and F4U-1D are pretty under tiered and some of the easiest and fun planes to fly.
Yeah. I personally like the P-51’s playstyle and don’t mind having to avoid the initial brawl and just mopping everyone that is low. Idk about the 47 though. It’s just too heavy for me and I never got into it. Playing mustangs defiantly helped me learn how to read a situation and game a lot quicker than any other plane probably would have. Same with the XP-55 which is probably one of most favorite planes in game.
What’s that? The AB+?
That was me when I first played the D20 XD. Then I realized that I just needed to learn how to play XD. Now I love mustangs in game. I’ve always loved mustangs and do believe it was one of the best planes of WW2, but after playing and growing up more I have more respect for other planes as well
I’ve even found that they are good at lower alt’s but you have to stay fast, so basically dive, attack extend, do a climbing turn then do it all over again. But yeah, WT meta is not in favor of the mustang sadly :(
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Essentially Gaijin caving in to people demanding “faster matches” because “climbing is boring and for sweats/old people”. I have been called a sweat for binding pitch-up/down on my keyboard, when I complained about the new weapon selector keybinds, on reddit.Tiny maps, too many players for aforementioned maps and the like.
What I find amusing though is some arcade maps have pretty nice objective placement with clear separation between hotspots that work decently for making engagements less of a furball. Why RB doesn’t have that, I know not.
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P51s only have 2 stage supercharger. They are not bad at high alt but they are nothing special except they excel at maintaining an energy advantage. But their performance above 6k is nothing special compared to most contemporaries. P47 and P38 on the other hand are super and turbo charged giving them a distinct advantage at high alt. Comparing anything in Air RB to irl is pointless.
Oh ok ty for explain. Those massive furballs are why I don’t play AB. Granted that was in props and not jets
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The reason why the A6Ms are way too high with their BRs is the fact that most players fumble with the “extending” part (too steep and allowing snap shots) - and the majority of Mustang pilots underestimate their energy loss of such dives in combination with the ability of enemies to regain energy.
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Hmm. I don’t play Zeros so I wouldn’t know.
Yeah. Or they go head on with a lot of things after that first dive, which I would generally not advise. The allison is very fragile
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It’s a game meta problem. yes, that’s how they were in real life. but in real life you have so much time before you’re anywhere near the enemy to climb and get coordinated and in a good position. the game meta does not allow for this. I would like to see high alt spawns for air RB. Would promote escorting bombers, and not make it anti meta to use US planes the way they were designed to be used.
The normal F6F-5 is already kinda sad at its BR. F6F-5N only has a firepower upgrade (and when I say upgrade, I mean below-par for other 3.3s) and slightly worse flight performance. 3.7 would be fine.
P-51C-10 flies better than the D models, so if anything the D models should be brought down to 4.0, and the D-5 to 3.7. P-51C-10 at 3.7 is fine.
The P-38E is fine, but the rest get higher BRs with near identical flight performance.
You’re projecting again . . .
You have to be baiting, what even? 4.0 is already undertiered.
…No, the F6F is fine where it’s at.
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Meh not really. Its flight performance is objectively worse than the C-10, literally the ONLY advantage the D-5 has is 2 more .50cals and greatly expanded CAS options.
Did I say the F6F at 3.3 should be moved down?
Two things upfront:
- You replied to a player which has stopped playing 10 months ago. You won’t get a response.
- I fought with and against @dot (excellent pilot) and imho most of his statements were quite reasonable. I do not share his 5.7 opinion about the F8F-1, actually the 4.7 is fine as i see them dying like flies at 4.7.
Have in mind that experienced pilots which are able to use an aircraft to its full strengths (whilst playing around weaknesses) might come to deviating conclusions to BR settings (as gaijin uses average results to determine BRs) and most of the BR discussions deal with the situation when very good pilots fly them.
This is either a fact free opinion…or you don’t refer to Air RB BRs.
Using an objectively undertiered P-51 C-10 as argument to reduce BRs of D models is not comprehensible.
We have D-5 (4.0), D-10 (4.3), D-20 (4.0) and D-30/P-51 K (5.0).
D-10 performs similar to the the D-30 - even gaijin realized this, that’s why they left it a 4.3. 4.0s for D-5 and D-20 are ok if you take the average pilot skill into consideration.
P-51 C-10:
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Clearly a 4.3 to 4.7 aircraft. Unfortunately US mains are unable to make them work, so they dragged the BR down to 3.7 due to poor results.
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Gaijin reacted and downranked the plane to Rank II - so that clubbers don’t use it anymore.
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The main issue is that all of the premium/event versions of the C-10 share the same BR, but kept Rank III. As they are there flown by (mostly) far better pilots those guys benefit the most from the way too low BR of 3.7.
Have a good one!
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D-5 is slightly heavier (due to extra 2 guns) and more drag (due to bubble cockpit) than the C-10. If I had to guess, it’s only at a higher BR since more experience players play it.
The issue isn’t just U.S mains. The issue is Germany and Russia mains also being crap, and thus planes like Yak-3 get undertiered, and can curbstomp P-51C-10 along with other planes at that BR making them look worse than they are. Although, just saying “hurr durr America mains bad” is an extremely convinient way to try and discredit the opinion of any1 you disagree with, so there’s no doubt in my mind that you’ll keep spamming in on the forums.
I have no clue why you react this way - i was polite, friendly and stated facts.
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Poor results of US players on average has nothing to do with that they would be less smart or intelligent; it is simply the fact that the US TT is extremely popular and has therefore subsequently a very high number of rookies which produce therefor subsequently poor results.
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It is also not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing - you can’t beat statistical facts and experience based on 19k Air RB prop battles. Regarding discrediting opinions i would not like: You might consider to take a step back.
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“Spamming” of handholding of US & USSR prop pilots by gaijin - i am not sure that your wording is adequate; especially if every experienced player has similar views - at least if he has a positive service record.
Your whole view on things is obviously way to biased towards US aircraft. Even as a lot of USSR props are severely undertiered too - the US tech tree excels with undertiered props by a substantial margin.
If you are able to name a single undertiered German prop fighter i would be happy if you could enlighten me - otherwise i see no sense to continue with this exchange. The He 100 D-1 does not count…
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