So what I noticed while playing with my F5E FCU in the bracket 11.7-11.0 is that many players play the Mirage F1C (200) and its probably because of the good weapons. The 2 magic 2 are basically free kills and the radar missiles are kinda meh but still you get 2 of the 530F and a SRC MTI radar which is basically a a PD radar. The Mig 23ML/D is also at 11.7 but only gets 2 radar missiles too and 4 R-60M and we all know they are bad. The R24R are kinda wierd cuz they hit the target although your radar was already notched but thats not all the time. The Mig 23 doesn’t have a better radar, because you only unlock the SRC MTI when you look down but try this when someone launches a SARH at you. So I want to hear your opinion. Should the Mirage F1C/-200/T go up to 12.0 in AIR SIM battles or should it stay where it is.
Magic IIs are better than the R-60Ms but only when fired within 1-1.5km, beyond that, I find them worse than Aim-9Ls. and the Mig-23MLD does have 2x more R-60Ms.
You also have IRST in the Mig-23MLD allowing you to stealth track targets.
The RWR in the F1C-200 is shockingly bad actually, with very little information given on the direction the target is in, let alone what the target is. I cant really comment on which radar is better, but the F1C-200 has a passable radar, though I find its instantly defeated by any chaff and there isnt a lot you can do about it either
But lets quickly compare it to a well placed 12.0 aircraft. The Tornado F3. Which has one of the best radars in game, one of the best RWRs in game, 4x Aim-9Ls and 4x Skyflash STs which are some of the best SARH at that BR. Mirage F1C would stand no chance fighting something like the F3, and its equivalents at 12.0
TLDR: Mirage F1C is good in a straight line and has 2x IRCCM missiles, but it is vulnerable to SARH missiles. It really cant move up. I’ve always been of the opinion the Mig-23MLD should be 12.0 and the Mig-23ML should be 11.7 and those are the aircraft that are under BRed
Only weakness is short range, but other than that, they are some of the better IR missiles at that BR, I find they are way harder to defeat with flares than my Aim-9G/Ls at the same BR appear to be
Those are some good arguments. Thank you.
Still I think that the Mirage F1C is too low. Facing 10.7 flareless planes with IRCCM missiles… You now wht I want to say XD.
Tbh we need more BR decompression but I can understand that a BR 15 or so is too much work and money which needs to be spent.
The Premium BRs are just not good balanced. Look at how they “balance” the BRs. Its just completly wierd. Why would you balance on stats instead of the players fighting with or against it. We probably need Vote for that but with min. Lvl 100 Players because having a lvl 12 player saying it need to go down to 10.0 because he can’t play the game right would cause some issues.
F1C-200, or (and?) F1CT just need access to ATLIS pod, and 2xKh-29L. (Maybe laser-guided bombs.
But if i hear about F1 used Kh - about LGB i hear nothing. In the end - laser-guided munitions ain’t need
any improvement/rework of pylons, and can be carried, as common, unguided munitions - you need just launch, and have a laser designator for targeting.)
Even without getting higher BR. (It already in the top-tier battles BR)
That make this plane not only a capable F-B, but also, a good CAS for GRB.
…but we’re talking Sim, no? If players with 10.7 planes join 11.7 matches, that’s their choice. If one is not willing or able to fight higher BR planes, why chose to face them?
Mirage is very annoying indeed
And why is it allowed to have mti radar above horizon if mig23 cant for realism? This radar mode shouldnt work without ground clutter
I know its wierd. Same with the F104s ASA. You can change to MTI while being on the ground. I don’t now if its correct ut I heard that MTI radar mode is even better than PD IRL but I’m not sure @Schindibee@Morvran maybe you guys now more
Yeah. Had one very memorable match in Denmark where there was a long, persistent dogfight only 2,3 grids from my base. One player (who was too far from the fight) commented “If I ever get pinged by a F-5, I leave the match…” seeing he lost most his mates to me.
Fat chance: NOT using the radar is one of the best tricks up the F-5E FCU’s sleeves, haha!
In my first match in Air RB 100% stock I got 6 skills that was just funny. But then I crashed because of lvl 1 pilot. Could have gotten 7 or even 8 kills
For me it’s a no. First of all I have to say that I really like the Mirage F1 so my opinion is maybe slightly biased.
For me the Mirage F1s are at the right Br, they do indeed have two good short-range missiles and decent radar missiles but that’s where it ends. The plane is severely limited by its 4 missile load limitation and the radar missiles are very easily avoidable with a few chaffs.
In addition it must be emphasized that the plane has the same flight model as a brick and tends not to be able to turn or stall as soon as the bank is too high. However its engine allows it to get out of certain complicated situations
In conclusion a Mirage F1 in the hands of a good pilot is extremely devastating for the opposing team but can also be a drag on his own team.
If your playing a 10.7 in a 10.7 Vs 11.7 match, then you kinda deserve it. That’s the beauty of SIM, uptiers are a choice, not random. I rarely if ever play an aircraft that is below the top of the bracket. Only exception being the FG1 during the events in 11.7 brackets because it can hold it’s own well enough. (Not that I really enjoy the phantoms much)
i use the Mig-23MLA because its the only competent jet germany has at that bracket, it got nerfed AF to a more “realistic” point. We are forced to aim below horizon to use MTI and sometimes the auto-swaps makes you lose track, and the LD mode got removed so there is no point on flying +2500m ALT since SRC mode barely detects anything, even sometimes with MTI and close enemys it wont detect anything, i need to use IRST, Lock, then swap to Radar to be able to use R24rs sometimes. But i get used to it and make it work if i can.
Mirage F1C-200 is extremely good because that, it can maintain MTI all the time, it can dogfight, it has nice missiles, its a very solid and good jet at 11.7.
i dont think it should go up tho, they are dangerous, yes.
but you will adapt to em with the time i guess.
