The Kugel getting it’s HVAP back and being placed at a normal BR would help.
Nothing at 7.0 aside from the Tiger 105 and Panther ll if you have them, but then you also have the Coelian so that’s irrelevant.
And at 7.3 there’s the Wiesel and a bit later the Gepard so the Kugel has zero uses.
It can’t be the stats either
The Kugel has HVAP, it’s just ass. Plus I hate the MK103s when compared to the 37s on the Ostwind 2.
Wiesel is a light tank, might be an even worse SPAA than the Kugel.
it has HVAP but 66% of the belt is HE because that makes sense, only Russia is allowed full HVAP I guess.
Wiesel is a worse R3 but a way higher BR, the high RoF is good for AA tho.
The Zerstörer 45 has the same quad guns with full HVAP, take your “Russian bias” nonsense elsewhere.
They must have forgotten to ruin it then.
…you really are incapable of admitting to being in the wrong, it seems.
One swallow doesn’t make a summer.
Were you here when the Ho 229 guns got nerfed, and are still nerfed? When APDS had an extra line of ‘forgotten’ code that conveniently made APDS no longer able to pen 60 degree plates, the same type of plate on the front of Soviet MBTs? Or that time where there was more ‘forgotten’ code that would randomly have German tanks catch on fire from MGs being shot at it?
I struggle to find Russian belts that are a lot worse than 80% AP.
The answer IS because there is no alternative at present.
The Ho-Ri was added at a different stage of WT whereby rules have evolved. Outside of clear massive gaps (F-16 AJ maybe) they no longer add vehicles in this manner.
If you want it removed, why?
If it is because of the exchanged German vehicle set then no one cares since that is just out of spite, simple as that. Acting out of spite is ridiculous in this context.
The OP says they do not want that answer.
If no alternatives had been found those “hidden” vehicles would still be researchable to this day.
Fortunately Gaijin aren’t listening to these possibly biased takes and since this same topic has been discussed countless times it is pretty clear the answer HAS been given. You do not have to like the answer.
The real unfairness is THIS:
Why are not ALL nations allowed to have as many “fake” (loose term but refering to the hidden German ones that have replacements and now even more vehicles at this BR range) vehicles before gaps are filled? (eg most nations have no tech tree Heavy : totally unfair some have and some don’t , by same logic)
Why is/was Germany the only nation given a medium, a heavy, and an SPAA to fill “gaps” (I have them all, they will always exist, focus is now modern vehicles so WWII lovers will just have to accept the reality)? This is THE most unfair part of this.
One nation had them for YEARS, other nations (specifically Japan) would be less without the fake vehicles (RYs, Heavy 6, F16AJ, Ho-Ris).
Question is: with so many options as the Big 3, why try to make it worst for all the other nations?
If you are using nations in game as some pride thing to compete with other nations then best of luck. Jingoistic people are some of the worst!
He runs away when you reach middle ground. Unless he is still confused about Air Assault PvE?
Anyway “My” nation suffers… waaaaaaaaaa (that’s a take on the style of post, not an individual).
It doesn’t surprise me, but there is a clear pattern. They also ruined the 20mm a little while ago… used to be like 65mm and now it’s 45mm something.
Germany has alternatives to Maus/105/Panther II …Leo 1 prototypes
Gaijin refuses to implement them as that will anger whales that use German 7.0/7.7/8.0 to farm their kills
They ruined EVERY nation with it. Then players used vehicles and their positions adjusted. Not JUST one nation at all.
The system before was also broken since different nations test differently.
German 500kg works better than 1000lb bombs and always have (comparable sizes). All bombs can be just as deadly/weak, not JUST one nation.
All nations have been shuffled and buggered about with over the years. Performances of weapons/ammo etc have varied ALL the time.
And they refuse vehicles across all nations. Not JUST Germany.
Or do you really think that?
Have you ever even tried the experience of another nation as to your preferred one? (Yes, it takes a LONG time).
20 mm one was ruined long ago after US/RU players cried about Pz II killing their shiny premiums
Minengeschoss is just joke now ,you need to hit plane at least 20 times for it to feel it …meanwhile pictures from US archive show it ripping half a wing off in one hit .
Lolz
This is your argument ,50 % of US/RU TT is prototypes/wishful thinking
Not true. Just the move to “universal” calculator.
Yeah, experienced this with every nation at some point or other in aircraft (not US but 50s are volume and I left them when 20mm take over as US isn’t my thing).
My take is it is just odd people think one nation gets dunked on. In some way or another everyone has been/is shafted somewhere during a period or patch. Not JUST one nation, that is overall pretty darn solid.
I’m not saying only Germany suffers from this but it has been nation that has been nerfed most …
French had this problem at one point ,same as Italians and now their MBT;s are just joke .
Brits with Hispanos as well
Germany is the most nerfed nation and Rusia most rewarded …from additional armor “bug” to armor slopes,to sci fi performance of ERA … as miragen mentioned that MG “bug” so much to chose from .
BTW it was US players constant whining that got Maus/105/Panther II/Coelian removed and most of German ammo nerfed …then US gets T series and nobody mentions protptypes /paper vehicles anymore …funny that.
Ah, so you are just anti-US/RU. Yes I do not like them either. 50% is pure BS, yes?
Also we all now distinctions between these vehicles in a produced/tested/viable state, the difference with naval, etc. So please let us not be confused of the reality of what those hidden vehicles were and why they existed.
Now what about ALL nations as I referred to?
Why are not ALL nations given this ability as Germany had?
And it is wishful thinking that leo protos will fill a 6.7 medium role (some nations have none here at all!), and that of a heavy, and that of a SPAA. Germany already enjoys the move to after WWII and has done since the Great Removal.
Not anti anything …anti bullshit justification for removal
Leo prototypes will fill that void players that don’t have removed 4 have …from 7.0 to 8.3
And this is where, though you have a rational opinion to put forward, shows I do not think you have an idea on what all nations endure at points.
APDS - nerfed
HESH - nerfed
Hispanos (depending on patch) - nerfed
Solid shot post-pen - nerfed
Reload on comparable vehicles - nerfed
Of course the above then filters through performance to BR placement = balance.
But no I do not feel it is the most nerfed, that is a very muddied discussion. And any changes resulted in BR changes for a lot of Ground. Probably similar with air except in Air the over-pop by US users does similar to popular nations at BR in ground.
Avoid the victim position as it detracts from more important poinrs.