F/A-18 should move down to 12.3 and be given 9X-2 and AIM-174
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Tornado GR4 ASRAAM when? Struggles vs the F-18C
Jaguar IS ASRAAM when? struggles vs literally everything
Oh yeah, that would be good.
they should be 14.0 minimum with current top tier being pushed above 15.0
and that would just be the start, almost everything needs to move up like the F-15As and the Su-33 being 13.0 is also a war crime
I agree, but operating within current compressioin. 13.7 would be the bare minimum
This is one of the better decompression proposals Ive seen
Nah knowing gaijin it would be 13.3 or 13.7 while the Finnish F-18C has a higher KD than the US late F/A-18C at 14.0 which to the snail means Finland needs to stay at 14.0
Also Finnish F-18C not F/A as it no longer had air to ground ordinance
You said
“I really don’t see how a non-super hornet with no HMD and worse Fox 3s could be higher” (Than Kfir C.10)
So
I showed
non-super Hornet with no HMD and same AIM-120, which is staying higher at 14.0BR
Finnish F-18C. also known as ‘Worst Hornet’
(No HMD, No Ground ordnance, and no BOL pods, which MLU-2 can be armed with; ah, in compensation, I heard Finnish F-18C has the slightest bit better FM than American F/A-18C Late because of losing extra weight from some equipments, but I don’t think it will be enough to compensate for the difference.)
*F-18C and F/A-18C MLU2.
The older one has no ground attack capability except the M61 Vulcan.
1- Double of 6 is 12, not 10.
2- Did Gaijin decide how many AIM-120A/B will be given if the F/A-18C Early gets? As Morvran said, 6 w/o double racks would be 13.7 material, while 10 with double racks will be 14.0
ONLY ONE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AIM-120A and B are
Maintenance enhancement thanks to the chipset upgrade with EEPROM, which is invalid in-game. ffs.
Yes, AIM-120B is an improvement of AIM-120A IRL, but both are the same goddamn missiles by function in this game.
Oh, and btw, just saying. if you believe that AIM-120A can be expected because of nothing but AV-8B Plus, then AIM-120B also could be expected because Tornado F.3 Late in 13.0BR armed with AIM-120B.
So, in conclusion
How in the world that F/A-18C Early with AIM-120A(or B) have a lower BR than a Kfir C.10?
if F/A-18C early gets AIM-120, 13.7BR will be minimum.
And F/A-18C Early would be stronger if she remains 12.7BR with non-ARH missiles. ← only one part which we both can agree with.
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The F-18C has better radar and FM model and can carry more aim120 compared to the F/A-18C early the thing they have in common is the rwr/no hmd so yeah I can see why the f-18C is at 14.0 even if doesn’t have hmd and if the f/a-18c early does ever get aim120 I could see being 13.3 so long it doesn’t get dual AMRAAM racks
One of the Best 12.7’s…
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Counterpoint Thai F16 OCU has worse radar only 45 countermeasures and only IR HMS while being the same BR as the US F16C with a far better radar, engine, RWR, full radar and IR HMS
Your argument about radar is moot. Seriously though you could’ve at least tried checking vehicles around the BR to compare before saying that lol.
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Lol no
6 amraams + 9Ls with solid enough FM and non-dookie radar is more than 13.3 material
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F-16A ADF/MLU wants to know your location /j
45 countermeasures
Only 6 missiles max
No 7Ps
Please like, think about this more clearly
IIRC, the radar difference between F-18C, F/A-18C Late, F/A-18C(Swiss) [AN/APG-73] and F/A-18C Early(USN) [AN/APG-65] is drastic IRL, but the difference in game specification via datamine is narrow, AFAIK, the only spec difference between AN/APG-65 and AN/APG-73 is detection range.
Yes, F-18C has a slightly better FM model than American F/A-18C’s because it wasn’t equipped with that equipment for ground ordnances (Maybe, I am not a big fan of Finnish Air Force, and I don’t have technical documents about that, so… this part is partially assuming because I only have light info about Finnish F-18C outside of War Thunder. But, yes, F-18C has a lighter fuselage than F/A-18C. And if we think about the biggest difference.)
But I don’t think that slightly better FM can maintain dominance against F/A-18C early if we think about weaponry. (About Weaponry part, read lower parts.)
This part of discussion is just lame Remix of F/A-18C (Swiss, Early-ish, non-ARH variant) vs F/A-18C Early (USN).
They might have FM difference, but difference itself is maginal if we think about gameplay.
Well, that’s debatable. There are basically two schools of thought- bear, beets, battlestar g-
There are none of decision from the gaijin on how many AIM-120 will be carried if F/A-18C early gets buff(…) of grabbing AIM-120
So simply calling that F-18C can carry more AIM-120 than F/A-18C Early can be a debatable point, just like Schrödinger’s box. 6 without dual rack might be plausible, but there is still a chance of Gaijin acting lame and giving 10 with dual rack.
No no no no. if we consider F-16A ADF(USAF/AM)/MLU(ROC) stay 13.3 with AIM-9L or AIM-120, and can carry six missiles in TOTAL.
F/A-18C early with 6 AIM-120 (with extra AIM-9L or even M if it gets extra buff) cannot be 13.3BR.
The problem of discussing the balance of American-built vehicles.
They are always seeing better variants while they completely forget about the worse variants.
We almost always see F/A-18C(Swiss) when discussing F/A-18C Early, but nearly nobody talks about CF-188A, which is F/A-18A from Canada and which was modified in F/A-18C Early standards gameplay-wise.
IIRC, there was discussion about why Finnish gets the best Legacy Hornet (F/A-18C MLU2) with BOL pods and why F/A-18C Late cannot get BOL, but discussion about the worse Finnish Hornet (F-18C) was nearly forgotten.
Joke take: when American jets are non-meta, maybe DoD excommunicates those jets from the War Thunder Tech-Tree service list.
:|
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because this game is more compressed than the spine of someone who sits at a computer all day
And more displayed TWS targets, at least when we compare the radar on US/CAN and Swiss premium variant.
TT might get more datalink channels, not sure, but the scan speed etc remains identical.
Its a solid radar nonetheless.
Also funny that we have yet another thread of people wanting to straight up ruin 18C early. Give me a break.
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flight model model
It will not stop until we really get 18C early ruined.
/j
They probably want to shoot ARH with their precious Hornet. with no extra pay.