Okay but we’re comparing it to the Tiger 1, which has KV-1 levels of armor but like 2 BRs higher or something, it gets penned way before the Jumbo does and doesn’t get a stabilizer, doesn’t get a .50 cal on top, no sidearmor, needs an ace crew to match the base Jumbo reload, has only slightly more above half the turret rotation speed of the Jumbo, stores it ammo at the corner for who knows what reason, has less depression, less elevation, the H1 has a stupid deadzone that is only removed on the pay to win premium version in some more asshole design choices… and people want to Jumbo to be a lower BR than the E and the same as the H1.
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i don’t want Jumbo 76 to be same BR as H1. Jumbo 76 should be at the same BR as Tiger E, while Jumbo 75 should be lower than Tiger H1 as it’s simply much weaker
The vast majority of planes actually do this.
Jumbo 76 is easily better than the Tigers and the Jumbo 75 has way too much armor to go lower… and with the stabilizer it’s more than capable.
I never understand why there are always complaints about these vehicles when they have always been high performing vehicles.
Whilst the Tigers have never actually been that good and always been on the side of struggling.
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Jumbos are ground equivalents of Zeros. They are basically imprevious for your average joe and do very well if enemy has no idea what he is doing, even better if you are in downtier.
But the good things end there. As soon as they get uptiered even slightly, let alone full uptier and enemy has even the slightest idea on what to do they become entirely obsolete. And it just so happens that 5.7/6.0 BR is notorious for being constantly uptiered to 6.7
What do you expect any jumbo to do when a Tiger 2h pops up? Both of them are capable of facing it.
When mid BRs were being decompressed 75 jumbo should have stayed at 5.3. It is by no means on an equal ground with Tiger H1. And in it’s case, argumenting it staying at 5.7 with armor is simply stupid.
At 5.7 it’s upper plate is generally impenetrable for most things anyway. It doesn’t make absolutely any difference whether you face a Tiger H1, Jagdpanzer IV or a KV-85. All will penetrate you in your weakspots, while none will do so anywhere else.
It’s not like i have any problems performing in Jumbos, although i don’t have a lot of experience with 76 variant, i used 75 one to grind most of mid BR in US tree and have K/D of over 2 in it. It’s not about performance. It’s about being severly handicapped while facing any higher BR tanks and enemies who just so happen to not be clueless.
And Zeros are also uptiered to all hell because a lot of people don’t know what they’re doing, it’s as fast as a heavy bomber in a straight line and yet it keeps getting uptiered.
Frontally the Jumbo is immune to the majority of vehicles it faces and causes havoc on a team, especially when there is more than 1 which there will be… the Tiger is immune to almost nothing and mainly boasts an effective gun, but in a 6.7 game it also has a ton of things it cannot pen.
Just the way things go, it suffering under some circumstances doesn’t justify lowering it so a bunch of other things suffer in it’s place.
Fond of the AM-1, something about the flight model just makes it easier to fly than the AD-4
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They do, however the oil temp can be kept in check by opening radiator more (which the 190s can’t do) or simply don’t heat up as much (unlike the 190).
The 190s get hot and there is NO WAY to cool it down.
Jumbo is not immune frontally to anything. As long as they aim carefully most rank 2 vehicles can take it out with relative ease. Even at full downtier from 5.3, 4.3 tanks will have much easier time dealing with Jumbo, than Jumbo ever has with Tiger 2h or Jagdtiger. Jumbo has basically a 3.3 gun so as long as you can pen it’s armor you can fight it with anything at that BR.
The point is - lower BR tanks do have a fighting chance against a Jumbo, while Jumbo doesn’t against it’s own full uptier enemies.
Neither Zeros, nor Jumbo should have ever eneded up in the situations they did. Playerbase being bad at the game doesn’t justify a certain vehicle going into BR beyond it’s effective capabilities.
Jumbo 75 at 4.7 and Jumbo 76 at 5.7 were definitely an overkill and they were extremely opressive, but now we went from 1 extreme to another.
I run 4.7 lineups when platooning with friends, and I’ve yet to find a vehicle that can’t with the Jumbo, short of some SPAA.
It’s better to think of the Jumbo as an obstacle, as opposed to enemy, solve the jumbo like a puzzle:
- Do I try for MG Port, or
- Do I track it and go for the weak side armour behind the tracks
- Do I have large enough calibre HE.
There was a time when Jumbos where 4.7 and it was common to see 3-4 on an enemy team and on maps like advance to the Rhine they were quite troublesome. Those days are long gone.
The Jumbo in many ways is the evolution of the KV-1 problem. In a 2.7 vehicle, a KV-1 L11 will seem like an insurmountable juggernaught; however a 4.7 vehicle wouldn’t consider a KV-1 of any kind to be a challenge.
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The Jumbo weakspot is difficult enough to hit on a good day, RNG as hell, and easily hidden with a bush or some decorations out in the open, or hide it behind a wall or obstacle, any tank wreck to make it impossible to hit.
It’s not RNG at all. It doesn’t have any weird angles, nor is it particularly small. Hitting any of them is also practically a guaranteed one shot with APHE bigger than 57mm.
It’s much more straightforward than let’s say T26E5 or IS-3
Doesn’t really matter either way when you can’t see it.
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Its rng dude maybe you havent shot it that much but sometimes the side of the mg will magically eat it or I have hit it with something like a waffentragger for it to just magically disappear.
Jumbo has more than 1 weakspot. If you don’t want to risk going for MG port, you can just as well shoot commander’s hatch or those not covered parts of it’s ufp above tracks. Not to mention that you can just shoot down the bushes from the enemy tank.
At this point it’s just making excuses
It’s not RNG. And if you even tried to aim for it with Waffentrager you were already doing it wrong. With long 88 you can just lolpen the jumbo anywhere, why would you bother trying to aim for MG port, if anything it only decreases your chances to pen due to volumetric.
I love the gigantic 28 cylinder radial lol.
But I personally valued the AD-4 being smaller and lighter as well as it’s greater weapons variety over the AM-1 flight characteristics
Those are quite literally about 2px tall
Which requires time during which they can just kill you or take your barrel.
“It only decreases your chances to pen due to volumetric” Rng do you not know what rng is? and yes I know I was worried because he was hulled down so I thought I wouldn’t be able to penn which is what happened.
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I have not tried the am1 but the rockets on the ad4 are amazing
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